Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2017/06/15
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Mark Interesting! Did you roll them together in a stainless reel or in one of those Paterson plastic ones? Dan K. On Friday, June 16, 2017, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote: > Lluis I used to roll my film back to back two rolls in the same reel! And > taught my assistants to do it. A few of them were incredulous. I got this > from a Bill Pierce column in Popular photography in the early 70?s it > worked. > But it makes Kodak?s recommendations as to limits of Xtol and puts them in > the dust. > I ran 8 rolls of 35mm film in a liter or quart of 1:3 Xtol. > Then dumped it down the drain. My times where close to what they should > have been. > > > > > -- > > Mark William Rabiner > Photographer > > On 6/15/17, 10:40 AM, "LUG on behalf of lluisripollphotography" > <lug-bounces+mark=rabinergroup.com at leica-users.org <javascript:;> on > behalf of lluisripollphotography at gmail.com <javascript:;>> wrote: > > Mark, > > Thank you for useful information, very interesting to learn it! You > mention Delta 400, yes it is a great film, I?ve not use it after a while > and just the past days I was in the darkroom enlarging, the pics with this > one was very fine. > > Your recomendation about testing dilution is also very interesting to > follow. > > Thank you > Lluis > > > > > El 15 juny 2017, a les 14:25, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com > <javascript:;>> va escriure: > > > > If you Bing it or Google it for 15 minutes you?ll see the top, > smart, nice, funny spiritual people are all at 1:3. The ones whose prints > sold for the most money and who dressed better. > > Diluting Xtol 1:3 instead of 1:2 ads a couple of more minutes to it > its way worth it. With that you get better edge caracteristics which is > directly linked to higher dilution. And other advantages I was using 1:2 > for a while and my prints were obviously worse. > > > > By the way in my college in the early 70?s in St. Louis, we did us > students who were always in the darkroom an unusual thing which I?d never > heard of other places. We all ran our film in D76 1:2 instead of 1:1. The > students who came in in the beginning of the year and ran the recommended > 1:1 and universal default had prints you could spot across the room as > being way less sharp. Way less edge. And way less sharp grain. But a tad > less grain. And they were not very nice people who told bad jokes. It > looked like they were shooting with Spiratone lenes. > > A good policy is to dilute until you hit a point when you?re seeing > uneven development in your negs. Washed out areas. Then you back up a > notch. But you?ll ahead of time see what everyone else is doing. > > Neopan Acros 100 Xtol 1:3 16? minutes 70 degrees? agitation every > minute and the first full minute. > > All film listed here is 1:3 70 degrees F, agitation every minute 10 > seconds and the first full minute. > > Delta 100 14? > > Delta 3200 16? > > Delta 400 14? Neopan 1600 RIP my main film when out and about > shooting for myself. Even with a Noctilux. 12 minutes and looks like an > iso 100 film. And here you are shooting it on the street. No tripod. I used > it for on location commercial jobs no flash or tripod. The 100 with the > studio strobes in the studio. Delta 100 from Ilford as just about as good. > > Neopan Acros 100 16 ? as high a rez film anyone would ever want or > need in Xtol 1:3 > > Get a tank so you can develop 8 rolls at a time or I can see your > point and wanting to keep shorter times. > > You?ll shoot more with a big boy tank. > > Pan F 50, they still make it. 12? > > Tri X 400 11? > > Tri X Pro 320 in 120 or 220 format, 15? > > All the other times here is for 35mm format. Times are different for > different formats why no one knows. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Mark William Rabiner > > Photographer > > > > On 6/15/17, 7:32 AM, "LUG on behalf of lluisripollphotography" > <lug-bounces+mark=rabinergroup.com at leica-users.org <javascript:;> on > behalf of lluisripollphotography at gmail.com <javascript:;>> wrote: > > > > Chris, Dan > > > > I will do 1+1 on my next two films, I want avoid long develping > times. I?ve used HC110 many years ago, but I liked better ID11/D76 > > > > Cheers > > Lluis > > > > > > > >> El 15 juny 2017, a les 11:49, Christopher Crawford < > chris at chriscrawfordphoto.com <javascript:;>> va escriure: > >> > >> Its been years since I used Xtol. I never really liked the tonality > as > >> much as D-76, though Xtol does give finer grain. I got best results > >> diluted 1+1. > >> > >> Be careful with higher dilutions. Kodak, when it first came out, > listed > >> times for 1+2 and 1+3 dilutions. A lot of photographers got severely > >> underdeveloped negs with those dilutions, using Kodak?s times. > Turns out, > >> Xtol cannot stand being diluted that much unless you develop the > film in a > >> much larger tank than you normally need. I think there had to be > 200ml of > >> stock in the diluted developer for each roll, so for 1+3 > developing, you > >> could do only one roll in a 32ox tank that could hold four rolls! > >> > >> Kodak published the minimum stock quantity needed but a lot of > people > >> ignored it and complained, so they just stopped publishing the > times for > >> the higher dilutions! > >> > >> I actually have a copy in PDF format of the original Xtol info > booklet, > >> but the times would be off for Kodak films now since Kodak > reformulated > >> Tri-X and the Tmax films since then. They did publish times for > Ilford > >> films, which might still work if you?re interested in seeing it. > >> > >> -- > >> Chris Crawford > >> Fine Art Photography > >> Fort Wayne, Indiana > >> 260-437-8990 > >> > >> http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio > >> > >> http://www.facebook.com/pages/Christopher-Crawford/48229272798 > >> Become a fan on Facebook > >> > >> > >> > >> On 6/15/17, 5:15 AM, "LUG on behalf of lluisripollphotography" > >> <lug-bounces+chris=chriscrawfordphoto.com at leica-users.org > <javascript:;> on behalf of > >> lluisripollphotography at gmail.com <javascript:;>> wrote: > >> > >>> I don?t have a large experience with Xtol, I?ve used for years > ID11/D76. > >>> I?ve developed my two last films of Bergger Pancro 400 in Xtol > Stock at > >>> the recomended time, but I?m unhappy with the results. I?ve used > it in > >>> stock to get the shortest developing time and minimize the grain > effect. > >>> > >>> I would like hear your experiences with Xtol, I mainly use FP4 and > HP5. > >>> > >>> Thanks in advance > >>> > >>> Lluis > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Leica Users Group. > >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more > information > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Leica Users Group. > >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more > information > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Leica Users Group. > > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more > information > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Leica Users Group. > > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information