Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2017/06/15
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Mark, Thank you for useful information, very interesting to learn it! You mention Delta 400, yes it is a great film, I?ve not use it after a while and just the past days I was in the darkroom enlarging, the pics with this one was very fine. Your recomendation about testing dilution is also very interesting to follow. Thank you Lluis > El 15 juny 2017, a les 14:25, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> va > escriure: > > If you Bing it or Google it for 15 minutes you?ll see the top, smart, > nice, funny spiritual people are all at 1:3. The ones whose prints sold > for the most money and who dressed better. > Diluting Xtol 1:3 instead of 1:2 ads a couple of more minutes to it its > way worth it. With that you get better edge caracteristics which is > directly linked to higher dilution. And other advantages I was using 1:2 > for a while and my prints were obviously worse. > > By the way in my college in the early 70?s in St. Louis, we did us > students who were always in the darkroom an unusual thing which I?d never > heard of other places. We all ran our film in D76 1:2 instead of 1:1. The > students who came in in the beginning of the year and ran the recommended > 1:1 and universal default had prints you could spot across the room as > being way less sharp. Way less edge. And way less sharp grain. But a tad > less grain. And they were not very nice people who told bad jokes. It > looked like they were shooting with Spiratone lenes. > A good policy is to dilute until you hit a point when you?re seeing uneven > development in your negs. Washed out areas. Then you back up a notch. But > you?ll ahead of time see what everyone else is doing. > Neopan Acros 100 Xtol 1:3 16? minutes 70 degrees? agitation every > minute and the first full minute. > All film listed here is 1:3 70 degrees F, agitation every minute 10 > seconds and the first full minute. > Delta 100 14? > Delta 3200 16? > Delta 400 14? Neopan 1600 RIP my main film when out and about shooting > for myself. Even with a Noctilux. 12 minutes and looks like an iso 100 > film. And here you are shooting it on the street. No tripod. I used it for > on location commercial jobs no flash or tripod. The 100 with the studio > strobes in the studio. Delta 100 from Ilford as just about as good. > Neopan Acros 100 16 ? as high a rez film anyone would ever want or need in > Xtol 1:3 > Get a tank so you can develop 8 rolls at a time or I can see your point > and wanting to keep shorter times. > You?ll shoot more with a big boy tank. > Pan F 50, they still make it. 12? > Tri X 400 11? > Tri X Pro 320 in 120 or 220 format, 15? > All the other times here is for 35mm format. Times are different for > different formats why no one knows. > > > > > > > > > -- > > Mark William Rabiner > Photographer > > On 6/15/17, 7:32 AM, "LUG on behalf of lluisripollphotography" > <lug-bounces+mark=rabinergroup.com at leica-users.org on behalf of > lluisripollphotography at gmail.com> wrote: > > Chris, Dan > > I will do 1+1 on my next two films, I want avoid long develping times. > I?ve used HC110 many years ago, but I liked better ID11/D76 > > Cheers > Lluis > > > >> El 15 juny 2017, a les 11:49, Christopher Crawford <chris at >> chriscrawfordphoto.com> va escriure: >> >> Its been years since I used Xtol. I never really liked the tonality as >> much as D-76, though Xtol does give finer grain. I got best results >> diluted 1+1. >> >> Be careful with higher dilutions. Kodak, when it first came out, listed >> times for 1+2 and 1+3 dilutions. A lot of photographers got severely >> underdeveloped negs with those dilutions, using Kodak?s times. Turns out, >> Xtol cannot stand being diluted that much unless you develop the film in a >> much larger tank than you normally need. I think there had to be 200ml of >> stock in the diluted developer for each roll, so for 1+3 developing, you >> could do only one roll in a 32ox tank that could hold four rolls! >> >> Kodak published the minimum stock quantity needed but a lot of people >> ignored it and complained, so they just stopped publishing the times for >> the higher dilutions! >> >> I actually have a copy in PDF format of the original Xtol info booklet, >> but the times would be off for Kodak films now since Kodak reformulated >> Tri-X and the Tmax films since then. They did publish times for Ilford >> films, which might still work if you?re interested in seeing it. >> >> -- >> Chris Crawford >> Fine Art Photography >> Fort Wayne, Indiana >> 260-437-8990 >> >> http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio >> >> http://www.facebook.com/pages/Christopher-Crawford/48229272798 >> Become a fan on Facebook >> >> >> >> On 6/15/17, 5:15 AM, "LUG on behalf of lluisripollphotography" >> <lug-bounces+chris=chriscrawfordphoto.com at leica-users.org on behalf of >> lluisripollphotography at gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I don?t have a large experience with Xtol, I?ve used for years ID11/D76. >>> I?ve developed my two last films of Bergger Pancro 400 in Xtol Stock at >>> the recomended time, but I?m unhappy with the results. I?ve used it in >>> stock to get the shortest developing time and minimize the grain effect. >>> >>> I would like hear your experiences with Xtol, I mainly use FP4 and HP5. >>> >>> Thanks in advance >>> >>> Lluis >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information