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Subject: [Leica] RD-1 now Backup
From: photo at frozenlight.eu (Nathan Wajsman)
Date: Sat Dec 13 23:05:33 2008
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Hi Jayanand,

You are right, I forgot the software. However, you do not need  
Photoshop--alternatives do exist. Indeed, the best alternative I can  
think of is from Adobe itself, namely Lightroom, which is a fraction  
of the cost of PS. That is all I use now. I have PS CS3 because I  
could get it cheaply with the educational discount (I had my son buy  
it) but I probably have not opened an image with it for several months.

Certainly no photographer needs the complete Creative Suite unless s/ 
he is also a graphics designer or something like that, but then it is  
a different ball game altogether.


Cheers,
Nathan

Nathan Wajsman
Alicante, Spain
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On Dec 14, 2008, at 4:02 AM, Jayanand Govindaraj wrote:

> Nathan,
> You left out a very big and recurring expense - software. Adobe's  
> programs
> dont come cheap - they are a monopoly and charge as such. I just  
> found out
> that to upgrade from the CS3 suite to the CS4 suite is only US$770 -  
> the
> cost of a very good digital SLR.
> Cheers
> Jayanand
>
> On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 12:22 AM, Nathan Wajsman  
> <photo@frozenlight.eu>wrote:
>
>> I am an amateur. I bought my E3 about 11 months ago, and in those  
>> 11 months
>> I have shot the equivalent of about 20 rolls of film per month with  
>> it. Each
>> roll would have cost an average of 12 EUR to buy and process, so  
>> the savings
>> is 240 EUR per month or 2880 EUR per year--far more than I paid for  
>> the E3.
>>
>> The computer I have is an iMac which I bought earlier this year.  
>> But I
>> would have bought this computer even if I were not taking pictures.  
>> I use it
>> to surf, to e-mail, to work with Excel, Word, Powerpoint etc. So  
>> its cost
>> was not incurred as a consequence of photography and so should not be
>> counted. The only computer expense that is incremental are a couple  
>> of
>> external hard drives, since photographs do indeed require lots of  
>> storage.
>> But even then, and despite the fact that I have not earned one cent  
>> with my
>> photos, I am still ahead of film, financially speaking.
>>
>> The M8 I just got will take a bit longer to pay for itself in film  
>> savings,
>> but it will definitely have done so by the time the 2-year warranty  
>> is up.
>> And my enjoyment of it is priceless.
>>
>> Nathan
>>
>> Nathan Wajsman
>> Alicante, Spain
>> http://www.frozenlight.eu
>> http://www.greatpix.eu
>> http://www.nathanfoto.com
>>
>> Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0
>> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws
>> Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog
>>
>>
>>
>> On Dec 13, 2008, at 4:13 PM, Harrison McClary wrote:
>>
>> These arguments I always find a little misleading.  They leave out  
>> the
>>> fact you should buy external drives for back up, and those in  
>>> redundancy.
>>> You need a good fast computer or editing your photos will be  
>>> painful.  You
>>> need software to edit those photos.  There is far more cost to  
>>> digital than
>>> just the camera and all of that HAS to be considered also, IMHO.
>>>
>>> Alan Magayne-Roshak wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Alastair Firkin" <afirkin@afirkin.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Of course if you get 500000 shots from your M8 it will have paid  
>>>> for
>>>>> itself even if you are not a pro. Its got a guarantee so shoot  
>>>>> for a year
>>>>>> and you will have saved quite a bit anyway.
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>>>> I don't follow.  If (an amateur) doesn't make money using an M8,  
>>>> how can
>>>> it be said to have paid for itself?  The money hasn't come back;  
>>>> maybe less
>>>> will be spent in support than with film, but that doesn't seem to  
>>>> be the
>>>> same thing as recovering the initial expense.
>>>>
>>>> Alan
>>>>
>>>> Alan Magayne-Roshak, Senior Photographer
>>>> UPAA POY 1978
>>>> University Information Technology Services
>>>> University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee
>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Alan+Magayne-Roshak/
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Replies: Reply from michiel.fokkema at wanadoo.nl (Michiel Fokkema) ([Leica] RD-1 now Backup)
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Message from lists at mcclary.net (Harrison McClary) ([Leica] RD-1 now Backup)
Message from photo at frozenlight.eu (Nathan Wajsman) ([Leica] RD-1 now Backup)
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