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Subject: [Leica] RD-1 now Backup
From: michiel.fokkema at wanadoo.nl (Michiel Fokkema)
Date: Sun Dec 14 13:10:41 2008
References: <59590070.8147571229136929947.JavaMail.root@mail02.pantherlink.uwm.edu> <4943D10F.5080908@mcclary.net> <F20AC743-8A6D-457D-9649-39B39F50AD9A@frozenlight.eu> <3cad89990812131902h7ebc983cq78c661c884411464@mail.gmail.com> <46A9E379-D6BB-4D80-A828-6A85D5572DCA@frozenlight.eu>

The GIMP is a PS clone and for free and also works under linux.

Cheers,
Michiel fokkema

Nathan Wajsman wrote:
> Hi Jayanand,
> 
> You are right, I forgot the software. However, you do not need 
> Photoshop--alternatives do exist. Indeed, the best alternative I can 
> think of is from Adobe itself, namely Lightroom, which is a fraction of 
> the cost of PS. That is all I use now. I have PS CS3 because I could get 
> it cheaply with the educational discount (I had my son buy it) but I 
> probably have not opened an image with it for several months.
> 
> Certainly no photographer needs the complete Creative Suite unless s/he 
> is also a graphics designer or something like that, but then it is a 
> different ball game altogether.
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> Nathan
> 
> Nathan Wajsman
> Alicante, Spain
> http://www.frozenlight.eu
> http://www.greatpix.eu
> http://www.nathanfoto.com
> 
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> 
> 
> On Dec 14, 2008, at 4:02 AM, Jayanand Govindaraj wrote:
> 
>> Nathan,
>> You left out a very big and recurring expense - software. Adobe's 
>> programs
>> dont come cheap - they are a monopoly and charge as such. I just found 
>> out
>> that to upgrade from the CS3 suite to the CS4 suite is only US$770 - the
>> cost of a very good digital SLR.
>> Cheers
>> Jayanand
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 12:22 AM, Nathan Wajsman 
>> <photo@frozenlight.eu>wrote:
>>
>>> I am an amateur. I bought my E3 about 11 months ago, and in those 11 
>>> months
>>> I have shot the equivalent of about 20 rolls of film per month with 
>>> it. Each
>>> roll would have cost an average of 12 EUR to buy and process, so the 
>>> savings
>>> is 240 EUR per month or 2880 EUR per year--far more than I paid for 
>>> the E3.
>>>
>>> The computer I have is an iMac which I bought earlier this year. But I
>>> would have bought this computer even if I were not taking pictures. I 
>>> use it
>>> to surf, to e-mail, to work with Excel, Word, Powerpoint etc. So its 
>>> cost
>>> was not incurred as a consequence of photography and so should not be
>>> counted. The only computer expense that is incremental are a couple of
>>> external hard drives, since photographs do indeed require lots of 
>>> storage.
>>> But even then, and despite the fact that I have not earned one cent 
>>> with my
>>> photos, I am still ahead of film, financially speaking.
>>>
>>> The M8 I just got will take a bit longer to pay for itself in film 
>>> savings,
>>> but it will definitely have done so by the time the 2-year warranty 
>>> is up.
>>> And my enjoyment of it is priceless.
>>>
>>> Nathan
>>>
>>> Nathan Wajsman
>>> Alicante, Spain
>>> http://www.frozenlight.eu
>>> http://www.greatpix.eu
>>> http://www.nathanfoto.com
>>>
>>> Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0
>>> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws
>>> Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Dec 13, 2008, at 4:13 PM, Harrison McClary wrote:
>>>
>>> These arguments I always find a little misleading.  They leave out the
>>>> fact you should buy external drives for back up, and those in 
>>>> redundancy.
>>>> You need a good fast computer or editing your photos will be 
>>>> painful.  You
>>>> need software to edit those photos.  There is far more cost to 
>>>> digital than
>>>> just the camera and all of that HAS to be considered also, IMHO.
>>>>
>>>> Alan Magayne-Roshak wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Alastair Firkin" <afirkin@afirkin.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course if you get 500000 shots from your M8 it will have paid for
>>>>>> itself even if you are not a pro. Its got a guarantee so shoot for 
>>>>>> a year
>>>>>>> and you will have saved quite a bit anyway.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ======================================================================================================
>>>>>  
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't follow.  If (an amateur) doesn't make money using an M8, 
>>>>> how can
>>>>> it be said to have paid for itself?  The money hasn't come back; 
>>>>> maybe less
>>>>> will be spent in support than with film, but that doesn't seem to 
>>>>> be the
>>>>> same thing as recovering the initial expense.
>>>>>
>>>>> Alan
>>>>>
>>>>> Alan Magayne-Roshak, Senior Photographer
>>>>> UPAA POY 1978
>>>>> University Information Technology Services
>>>>> University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee
>>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Alan+Magayne-Roshak/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -- 
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In reply to: Message from amr3 at uwm.edu (Alan Magayne-Roshak) ([Leica] RD-1 now Backup)
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Message from jayanand at gmail.com (Jayanand Govindaraj) ([Leica] RD-1 now Backup)
Message from photo at frozenlight.eu (Nathan Wajsman) ([Leica] RD-1 now Backup)