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Subject: [Leica] IMG: From the Cigar Box, WWII Bombers Seen in 1995
From: walt at waltjohnson.com (Walt Johnson)
Date: Thu Oct 18 11:50:12 2007
References: <009701c81133$d5142290$6101a8c0@jimnichols><47174922.7070405@gmx.de> <47174FFF.50805@waltjohnson.com> <4E7F9E2C-FFDF-420F-AF4F-48859FF7CCD6@charter.net> <004c01c811b0$854420d0$6101a8c0@jimnichols> <E414E264-D786-4134-A8F8-2167642B3938@charter.net>

I'll have to check with my dentist. You know him, the one with all the 
Leica gear. :-D

slobodan dimitrov wrote:
> It's no big deal, Jim.
> But I sure hope Walt didn't crack any teeth from that knee jerk.
>
> s.d.
>
> On Oct 18, 2007, at 10:58 AM, Jim Nichols wrote:
>
>> Slobodan,
>>
>> Sadly, in any conflict, there are two different views of what takes 
>> place. The worst thing about aerial attacks is that the crews are 
>> insulated from the destruction that they create.  When they realize 
>> the impact they had on other innocent lives, they sometimes find it a 
>> very sobering experience.
>>
>> Jim Nichols
>> Tullahoma, TN USA
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "slobodan dimitrov" 
>> <s.dimitrov@charter.net>
>> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug@leica-users.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 11:36 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Leica] IMG: From the Cigar Box, WWII Bombers Seen in 1995
>>
>>
>>> Funny thing about memories.
>>> My mother's is quite different about those flights.
>>> As a little girl she was sent to Belgrade during the war. It was an  
>>> open city, with a marginal German occupation garrison. Apparently  
>>> children were sent there from neighboring cities, and the 
>>> surrounding  country side, for safety during the war.
>>> Apparently in the autumn of 1944, on the flights back from Ploesti,  
>>> the American air force would drop bombs on the city of Belgrade.  
>>> Since the American air force did everything by the clock, the city  
>>> was bombed on a regular basis at the same time of the day. My 
>>> mother  said, before the arrival of the bombers, they would be taken 
>>> across  the river, and watch from a distance the bombing of the 
>>> city. After  the Americans had left, they would be taken back to the 
>>> city. All  with the hope that the homes of the families that they 
>>> were staying  with weren't destroyed in the bombing.
>>>
>>> s.d.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 18, 2007, at 5:22 AM, Walt Johnson wrote:
>>>
>>>> Jim
>>>>
>>>> Somewhere around here I've an image of my dad's B-24. The plane 
>>>> was  shot down over Hungary while returning from the fun and games 
>>>> at  Ploesti .He and his crew spent the rest of the was as guest of 
>>>> the  Germans.
>>>>
>>>> Walt
>>>>
>>>> Douglas Sharp wrote:
>>>>> Jim,
>>>>> I always did like the Liberator (Mitchell on steroids) - one of my 
>>>>> favourite Airfix kits when I was quite a bit younger - what the  
>>>>> Flying Fortress was to the Lancaster  was the Liberator to the  
>>>>> Halifax. You can still see a lot of its flying boat origins too.
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>> Douglas
>>>>> BTW, if you're working in Windows, try the trial version of DCE  
>>>>> Tools from Mediachance - it sometimes works wonders on older  
>>>>> shots. Try DCEnhance or ColorCastCorrection they've often done a  
>>>>> lot (and saved a lot of time) correcting some of my old slide  
>>>>> scans and even newer stuff.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jim Nichols wrote:
>>>>>> While working with negatives from 1995, I discovered some photos  
>>>>>> of visiting WWII bombers that were in town in the Fall of 1995.   
>>>>>> They were a B-17, probably a G or H model, and a B-24.  These  
>>>>>> airplanes had several points of interest for me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As shown in take-off, the thick wing airfoil of the B-17 allows a 
>>>>>> fairly steep climb angle, especially when compared to the B-24  
>>>>>> which made use of a NACA laminar-flow airfoil designed to 
>>>>>> achieve  higher speeds.  Even with partial flaps on take-off, the 
>>>>>> B-24  climbs at a more conservative angle.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The turrets on the B-24 are impressive. The nose turret lets the 
>>>>>> gunner feel that he is a part of the crew, whereas the  
>>>>>> retractable belly turret leaves the gunner on his own for much 
>>>>>> of  the mission.  I worked for many years with an engineer who, 
>>>>>> as a  very young airman, flew missions over Europe in the B-24 
>>>>>> belly  turret.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Taken twelve years ago, the quality of the in-flight images 
>>>>>> leave  a lot to be desired, especially when compared to the 
>>>>>> images that  Douglas recently posted from England.  However, 
>>>>>> these old birds  are disappearing, so I post them in remembrance 
>>>>>> of what they  represented during WWII.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Cigar+Box/B-17+Seen+in 
>>>>>> +1995.jpg.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Cigar+Box/B-24+Seen+in 
>>>>>> +1995.jpg.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Cigar+Box/B-24+Nose 
>>>>>> +Turret+1995.jpg.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Cigar+Box/B-24+Belly 
>>>>>> +Turret+1995.jpg.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Comments and critiques are welcomed and appreciated.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jim Nichols
>>>>>> Tullahoma, TN USA
>>>>>>
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