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Subject: [Leica] IMG: From the Cigar Box, WWII Bombers Seen in 1995
From: s.dimitrov at charter.net (slobodan dimitrov)
Date: Thu Oct 18 11:45:11 2007
References: <009701c81133$d5142290$6101a8c0@jimnichols><47174922.7070405@gmx.de> <47174FFF.50805@waltjohnson.com> <4E7F9E2C-FFDF-420F-AF4F-48859FF7CCD6@charter.net> <004c01c811b0$854420d0$6101a8c0@jimnichols>

It's no big deal, Jim.
But I sure hope Walt didn't crack any teeth from that knee jerk.

s.d.

On Oct 18, 2007, at 10:58 AM, Jim Nichols wrote:

> Slobodan,
>
> Sadly, in any conflict, there are two different views of what takes  
> place. The worst thing about aerial attacks is that the crews are  
> insulated from the destruction that they create.  When they realize  
> the impact they had on other innocent lives, they sometimes find it  
> a very sobering experience.
>
> Jim Nichols
> Tullahoma, TN USA
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "slobodan dimitrov"  
> <s.dimitrov@charter.net>
> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug@leica-users.org>
> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 11:36 AM
> Subject: Re: [Leica] IMG: From the Cigar Box, WWII Bombers Seen in  
> 1995
>
>
>> Funny thing about memories.
>> My mother's is quite different about those flights.
>> As a little girl she was sent to Belgrade during the war. It was  
>> an  open city, with a marginal German occupation garrison.  
>> Apparently  children were sent there from neighboring cities, and  
>> the surrounding  country side, for safety during the war.
>> Apparently in the autumn of 1944, on the flights back from  
>> Ploesti,  the American air force would drop bombs on the city of  
>> Belgrade.  Since the American air force did everything by the  
>> clock, the city  was bombed on a regular basis at the same time of  
>> the day. My mother  said, before the arrival of the bombers, they  
>> would be taken across  the river, and watch from a distance the  
>> bombing of the city. After  the Americans had left, they would be  
>> taken back to the city. All  with the hope that the homes of the  
>> families that they were staying  with weren't destroyed in the  
>> bombing.
>>
>> s.d.
>>
>>
>> On Oct 18, 2007, at 5:22 AM, Walt Johnson wrote:
>>
>>> Jim
>>>
>>> Somewhere around here I've an image of my dad's B-24. The plane  
>>> was  shot down over Hungary while returning from the fun and  
>>> games at  Ploesti .He and his crew spent the rest of the was as  
>>> guest of the  Germans.
>>>
>>> Walt
>>>
>>> Douglas Sharp wrote:
>>>> Jim,
>>>> I always did like the Liberator (Mitchell on steroids) - one of  
>>>> my favourite Airfix kits when I was quite a bit younger - what  
>>>> the  Flying Fortress was to the Lancaster  was the Liberator to  
>>>> the  Halifax. You can still see a lot of its flying boat origins  
>>>> too.
>>>> Cheers
>>>> Douglas
>>>> BTW, if you're working in Windows, try the trial version of DCE   
>>>> Tools from Mediachance - it sometimes works wonders on older   
>>>> shots. Try DCEnhance or ColorCastCorrection they've often done  
>>>> a  lot (and saved a lot of time) correcting some of my old  
>>>> slide  scans and even newer stuff.
>>>>
>>>> Jim Nichols wrote:
>>>>> While working with negatives from 1995, I discovered some  
>>>>> photos  of visiting WWII bombers that were in town in the Fall  
>>>>> of 1995.   They were a B-17, probably a G or H model, and a  
>>>>> B-24.  These  airplanes had several points of interest for me.
>>>>>
>>>>> As shown in take-off, the thick wing airfoil of the B-17 allows  
>>>>> a fairly steep climb angle, especially when compared to the  
>>>>> B-24  which made use of a NACA laminar-flow airfoil designed to  
>>>>> achieve  higher speeds.  Even with partial flaps on take-off,  
>>>>> the B-24  climbs at a more conservative angle.
>>>>>
>>>>> The turrets on the B-24 are impressive. The nose turret lets  
>>>>> the gunner feel that he is a part of the crew, whereas the   
>>>>> retractable belly turret leaves the gunner on his own for much  
>>>>> of  the mission.  I worked for many years with an engineer who,  
>>>>> as a  very young airman, flew missions over Europe in the B-24  
>>>>> belly  turret.
>>>>>
>>>>> Taken twelve years ago, the quality of the in-flight images  
>>>>> leave  a lot to be desired, especially when compared to the  
>>>>> images that  Douglas recently posted from England.  However,  
>>>>> these old birds  are disappearing, so I post them in  
>>>>> remembrance of what they  represented during WWII.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Cigar+Box/B-17+Seen+in  
>>>>> +1995.jpg.html
>>>>>
>>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Cigar+Box/B-24+Seen+in  
>>>>> +1995.jpg.html
>>>>>
>>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Cigar+Box/B-24+Nose  
>>>>> +Turret+1995.jpg.html
>>>>>
>>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Cigar+Box/B-24+Belly  
>>>>> +Turret+1995.jpg.html
>>>>>
>>>>> Comments and critiques are welcomed and appreciated.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jim Nichols
>>>>> Tullahoma, TN USA
>>>>>
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