Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2007/10/08
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Just a question, not meant to be anything other than a query - how come you guys find western classical music so interesting? I find it beautiful but sterile at heart, compared to jazz or Indian classical music - the latter is about 95% improvised and single pieces can last up to 2-3 hours. So the performer needs quite an active interpretive musical brain (and physical stamina) to hold his audience's attention, at least during live concerts, which can last all night. Jazz is similar. I have yet to understand what interpretation means in something that is always played as written. Can someone educate me, perhaps with a few recordings to purchase to illustrate the point? Cheers Jayanand On 10/8/07, Douglas Sharp <douglas.sharp@gmx.de> wrote: > > I believe I have it on vinyl - I'll have to get my old records sorted, > they're still in boxes after we had the living room re-floored and > redecorated. I know I have quite a few records of the Vienna > Philharmonic and Kletzki, but I'm no longer sure exactly what. > > I'm currently listening to poems by Blake set to jazz and choral music > by Mike Westbrook (well, I suppose it's jazz, but with Mike and Kate > Westbrook I'm never too sure, they drift around in all sorts of > directions from free improvisation to bebop, quoting Ellington, Parker > and Mingus on the way, take a short trip into blues and come out at the > other side in vaudeville, a classical vein, William Tell, Abbey Road or > Charles Ives and Messiaen. Weird stuff to get your head around, but > ultimately very satisfying. > Best from Hannover > Douglas > > Joseph wrote: > > Douglas > > > > Have you heard the version by Istvan Kertesz with the VPO? > > > > Joseph Low / Singapore > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: lug-bounces+joelct=singnet.com.sg@leica-users.org > > [mailto:lug-bounces+joelct=singnet.com.sg@leica-users.org] On Behalf Of > > Douglas Sharp > > Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2007 8:29 PM > > To: Leica Users Group > > Subject: Re: [Leica] Never judge a book by its cover: Brahms, Mahler > > > > Seems to be something to do with Hamburg :-) > > Brahms earned his money as a brothel pianist and everyone hated Mahler - > > including Mahler ;-) > > > > Love 'em both - JB's "Variations on a theme from Haydn" was always one > > of my all time favourites since my childhood, and still is. > > Brahms "German Requiem" is nearly on a par with Faure's for me. Mahler > > is something superb for dreary autumnal sunday afternoons. > > > > Although now I'm much more more partial to Bruckner, Britten, Copland, > > Ives, Hindemith, Janacek, Milhaud,Villa-Lobos, some Bermstein and just > > about anybody's Requiem, Mass or Stabat Mater for serious listening and > > Delius, Dvorak, Poulenc, Lefebure-Wely and Louis Moreau Gottschalk for > > lighter moments (nearly forgot William Bolcom's piano rags - absolutely > > brilliant!!). > > > > Douglas > > > > BTW, I love choral music - a tradition in Yorkshire - being part of > > "Sounding Brass and Voices" performing Parry's Jerusalem is a > > breathtaking experience - but I could never get much further than > > glorious Gilbert & Sullivan - my mother was an accompanist for the Leeds > > Gilbert and Sullivan Society, so it was permanent background music at > > home - (and PDQ Bach :-) ) when it comes to opera/operetta. > > > > Philippe Orlent wrote: > > > >> Brahms digs too deep in the mind for me... > >> He's an instable romantic, I guess ;-) > >> Philippe > >> > >> > >> > >> Op 7-okt-07, om 01:33 heeft Luis Ripoll het volgende geschreven: > >> > >> > >>>> From Sacred Cantata No.2? > >>>> > >>> Now I'm listening Christa Ludwig on Brahms Lieder, at the piano the > >>> great > >>> Gerald Moore... > >>> Luis > >>> > >>> > >>> -----Mensaje original----- > >>> De: lug-bounces+luisripoll=telefonica.net@leica-users.org > >>> [mailto:lug-bounces+luisripoll=telefonica.net@leica-users.org] En > >>> nombre de > >>> Philippe Orlent > >>> Enviado el: domingo, 07 de octubre de 2007 1:24 > >>> Para: Leica Users Group > >>> Asunto: Re: [Leica] Never judge a book by its cover > >>> > >>> Bach's 'Tilge, H?chster, Meine S?nden' isn't bad either ;-) Philippe > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Op 7-okt-07, om 01:19 heeft Luis Ripoll het volgende geschreven: > >>> > >>> > >>>> Philippe, > >>>> > >>>> This is a coincidence, this evening I've listened three times > >>>> Pergolesi's Stabat Mater (Mirella Freni & Teresa Berganza)... > >>>> > >>>> Saludos cordiales > >>>> Luis > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -----Mensaje original----- > >>>> De: lug-bounces+luisripoll=telefonica.net@leica-users.org > >>>> [mailto:lug-bounces+luisripoll=telefonica.net@leica-users.org] En > >>>> nombre de Philippe Orlent Enviado el: domingo, 07 de octubre de 2007 > >>>> 1:12 > >>>> Para: Leica Users Group > >>>> Asunto: Re: [Leica] Never judge a book by its cover > >>>> > >>>> I agree with the tune, Steve. One of the better classic popsongs it > >>>> is. > >>>> But about Nessun Dorma: I prefer to hear it sung by f.i. Andreas > >>>> Sch?nberg, who sings it more soberly and with modesty. > >>>> Which fits Nessun Dorma perfectly. It 's the difficulty with Italian > >>>> music of this period: most of the time it's so overly melodramatic > and > >>>> bombastic (the big feelings) that it becomes almost painful, unless > >>>> sung with some > >>>> reservation* :-) Then I prefer Pergolesi's Stabat Mater f.i. > >>>> Or all those German and Austrian composers that excelled in bringing > >>>> sheer emotion without getting preposterous. > >>>> > >>>> So at least they were good at something :-P (big smiley here) > >>>> > >>>> Philippe > >>>> > >>>> * That's why I never really liked Pavarotti: to much cheap pathos. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Op 7-okt-07, om 00:39 heeft Steve Unsworth het volgende geschreven: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> I have to say I was expecting the worst - especially knowing that > >>>>> these programs regularly include terrible singers to help the > >>>>> ratings. > >>>>> Yes he was > >>>>> raw, no he will never make it as an opera singer, but he had passion > >>>>> and commitment, and let's be honest it's one hell of a tune. > >>>>> > >>>>> Steve > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On 6/10/07 23:10, "Tina Manley" <images@comporium.net> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> I'm glad you weren't one of the judges! What were you expecting > >>>>>> from a cell phone salesman who has never had formal voice training? > >>>>>> Of course you have heard better Nessun Dormas from professional > >>>>>> opera singers with voice training. I think his performance was awe > >>>>>> inspiring and gives great encouragement to everybody with a dream. > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> Leica Users Group. > >>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Leica Users Group. > >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Leica Users Group. > >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Leica Users Group. > >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Leica Users Group. > >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > >>> > >>> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Leica Users Group. > >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > >> > >> > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Leica Users Group. > > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Leica Users Group. > > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >