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Subject: [Leica] Never judge a book by its cover: Brahms, Mahler
From: joelct at singnet.com.sg (Joseph)
Date: Sun Oct 7 14:54:53 2007

Douglas

Have you heard the version by Istvan Kertesz with the VPO?

Joseph Low / Singapore

-----Original Message-----
From: lug-bounces+joelct=singnet.com.sg@leica-users.org
[mailto:lug-bounces+joelct=singnet.com.sg@leica-users.org] On Behalf Of
Douglas Sharp
Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2007 8:29 PM
To: Leica Users Group
Subject: Re: [Leica] Never judge a book by its cover: Brahms, Mahler

Seems to be something to do with Hamburg :-)
Brahms earned his money as a brothel pianist and everyone hated Mahler - 
including Mahler ;-)

Love 'em both - JB's "Variations on a theme from Haydn" was always one 
of my all time favourites since my childhood, and still is.
Brahms "German Requiem" is nearly on a par with Faure's for me. Mahler 
is something superb for dreary autumnal sunday afternoons.

Although  now I'm much more more partial to Bruckner, Britten, Copland, 
Ives, Hindemith, Janacek, Milhaud,Villa-Lobos, some Bermstein and just 
about anybody's Requiem, Mass or Stabat Mater for serious listening and 
Delius, Dvorak, Poulenc, Lefebure-Wely and Louis Moreau Gottschalk for 
lighter moments (nearly forgot William Bolcom's piano rags - absolutely 
brilliant!!).

Douglas

BTW, I love choral music - a tradition in Yorkshire - being part of 
"Sounding Brass and Voices" performing Parry's Jerusalem is a 
breathtaking experience - but I could never get much further than 
glorious Gilbert & Sullivan - my mother was an accompanist for the Leeds 
Gilbert and Sullivan Society, so it was permanent background music at 
home -  (and PDQ Bach :-) ) when it comes to opera/operetta.

Philippe Orlent wrote:
> Brahms digs too deep in the mind for me...
> He's an instable romantic, I guess ;-)
> Philippe
>
>
>
> Op 7-okt-07, om 01:33 heeft Luis Ripoll het volgende geschreven:
>
>>> From Sacred Cantata No.2?
>>
>> Now I'm listening Christa Ludwig on Brahms Lieder, at the piano the 
>> great
>> Gerald Moore...
>> Luis
>>
>>
>> -----Mensaje original-----
>> De: lug-bounces+luisripoll=telefonica.net@leica-users.org
>> [mailto:lug-bounces+luisripoll=telefonica.net@leica-users.org] En 
>> nombre de
>> Philippe Orlent
>> Enviado el: domingo, 07 de octubre de 2007 1:24
>> Para: Leica Users Group
>> Asunto: Re: [Leica] Never judge a book by its cover
>>
>> Bach's 'Tilge, H?chster, Meine S?nden' isn't bad either ;-) Philippe
>>
>>
>>
>> Op 7-okt-07, om 01:19 heeft Luis Ripoll het volgende geschreven:
>>
>>> Philippe,
>>>
>>> This is a coincidence, this evening I've listened three times
>>> Pergolesi's Stabat Mater (Mirella Freni & Teresa Berganza)...
>>>
>>> Saludos cordiales
>>> Luis
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Mensaje original-----
>>> De: lug-bounces+luisripoll=telefonica.net@leica-users.org
>>> [mailto:lug-bounces+luisripoll=telefonica.net@leica-users.org] En
>>> nombre de Philippe Orlent Enviado el: domingo, 07 de octubre de 2007
>>> 1:12
>>> Para: Leica Users Group
>>> Asunto: Re: [Leica] Never judge a book by its cover
>>>
>>> I agree with the tune, Steve. One of the better classic popsongs it
>>> is.
>>> But about Nessun Dorma: I prefer to hear it sung by f.i. Andreas
>>> Sch?nberg, who sings it more soberly and with modesty.
>>> Which fits Nessun Dorma perfectly. It 's the difficulty with Italian
>>> music of this period: most of the time it's so overly melodramatic and
>>> bombastic (the big feelings) that it becomes almost painful, unless
>>> sung with some
>>> reservation* :-) Then I prefer Pergolesi's Stabat Mater f.i.
>>> Or all those German and Austrian composers that excelled in bringing
>>> sheer emotion without getting preposterous.
>>>
>>> So at least they were good at something :-P (big smiley here)
>>>
>>> Philippe
>>>
>>> * That's why I never really liked Pavarotti: to much cheap pathos.
>>>
>>>
>>> Op 7-okt-07, om 00:39 heeft Steve Unsworth het volgende geschreven:
>>>
>>>> I have to say I was expecting the worst - especially knowing that
>>>> these programs regularly include terrible singers to help the
>>>> ratings.
>>>> Yes he was
>>>> raw, no he will never make it as an opera singer, but he had passion
>>>> and commitment, and let's be honest it's one hell of a tune.
>>>>
>>>> Steve
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 6/10/07 23:10, "Tina Manley" <images@comporium.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm glad you weren't one of the judges!  What were you expecting
>>>>> from a cell phone salesman who has never had formal voice training?
>>>>> Of course you have heard better Nessun Dormas from professional
>>>>> opera singers with voice training.  I think his performance was awe
>>>>> inspiring and gives great encouragement to everybody with a dream.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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