Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2005/06/23

[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]

Subject: [Leica] Totally OT: What the HELL is F1 doing?
From: sethrosner at nycap.rr.com (Seth Rosner)
Date: Thu Jun 23 12:46:41 2005
References: <4cfa589b050620084173ac3acc@mail.gmail.com> <BACDDBA9-0B32-40FE-931F-40D431C05D21@btinternet.com> <42B7E24A.8060409@summaventures.com> <FAB04699-7562-43BC-B5FD-7594FA6102CD@btinternet.com> <b7pjb1trvs99ji1ho8t868m8sqhf857kjv@4ax.com> <001301c5779c$ae9dfc40$0ce84142@D1S9FY41> <F6AF9B0B-7301-4C9D-BE23-5C6C21DB7E37@btinternet.com> <006601c577fb$1f78bc30$0ce84142@D1S9FY41> <6CA49595-45D4-429A-982D-B192537E47BB@btinternet.com>

If you are right, Frank, you are starting to change my view of the racing 
world. When I was growing up, one helped competitors whom one was trying to 
beat on race day. One such lent me a radiator to drop into my TR-3 when mine 
was punctured by a fanbelt bolt in practice. And helped me install it. But 
that is not what we have seen in international auto racing for many years.

Commercialism has introduced a win-at-any-cost paradigm. Not the way my 
parents raised me nor the way I have practiced law for these many years.

Seth

Lord, I may

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Frank Dernie" <Frank.Dernie@btinternet.com>
To: "Leica Users Group" <lug@leica-users.org>
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 3:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Leica] Totally OT: What the HELL is F1 doing?


> If Bridgestone tyres had a problem I am sure the other teams would  have 
> voted to make whatever change was required, as long as it was  reasonable 
> such as a chicane. In fact it is only Ferrari who are  totally ruthless, 
> since Jean Todt was principal, and it is their  right and it has been 
> successful even if it has taken a lot of the  sporting spirit from F1. 
> Minardi and Jordan agreed to the proposed  changes.
> Frank
>
>
> On 23 Jun, 2005, at 14:54, Seth Rosner wrote:
>
>> Frank, you are perfectly correct about Mosely. In my view that  doesn't 
>> persuade me that he and FIA were correct in their response.  If the facts 
>> had been reversed and Bridgestone tires had been  faulty, would the 
>> Michelin teams have agreed to change the circuit  to let Ferrari be 
>> competitive? What do you think?
>>
>> Seth
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Dernie" 
>> <Frank.Dernie@btinternet.com>
>> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug@leica-users.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 2:57 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Totally OT: What the HELL is F1 doing?
>>
>>
>>
>>> Max is the consummate politician check out his background. What he  is 
>>> writing is the first tirade in what will be a long and tedious  legal 
>>> and political battle for power. It has little to do with  the facts  IMO 
>>> but he is a very convincing Machiavellian and often  wins. Behind  this 
>>> whole story is a massive power struggle in  motor sport between  Mosely 
>>> and some others, the loser was the  spectator.
>>> Frank
>>>
>>> On 23 Jun, 2005, at 03:38, Seth Rosner wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Eric, you are missing nothing. You have it exactly right.
>>>> Here is the FIA release of the Q&A of Max Moseley, FIA  President.  He 
>>>> states the facts surrounding this unpleasantness  and explains,  with 
>>>> clear examples, precisely why the FIA could  not change its  rules to 
>>>> accommodate mistakes in equipment and  preparation:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.fia.com/mediacentre/Press_Releases/FIA_Sport/2005/ June/ 
>>>> 220605-01.html
>>>>
>>>> Seth
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric" <ericm@pobox.com>
>>>> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug@leica-users.org>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 6:27 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Totally OT: What the HELL is F1 doing?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Frank:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> The FIA are now circulating outraged press releases which try  to lay
>>>>>> the blame for the actual race fiasco elsewhere. Clearly the 
>>>>>> technical
>>>>>> failure was down to Michelin. The absence of a compromise solution
>>>>>> allowing a race to take place for the spectators was IMHO entirely
>>>>>> due to the FIA refusing to adopt such a compromise. Obviously they
>>>>>> have the power to do this though they have never used it like this
>>>>>> before.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Usually, the only race I watch is the Indy 500.  I saw the  reports 
>>>>> of this
>>>>> fiasco and was interested since it was run at Indy.
>>>>>
>>>>> What I don't understand is how this is anybody's fault other  than the
>>>>> Michelin teams.
>>>>>
>>>>> If the Pistons went to the officials and said that they were   having 
>>>>> problems
>>>>> running as fast up and down the court as the Spurs and could  they 
>>>>> impose
>>>>> artificial constraints so the Pistons could rest more, they'd be 
>>>>> laughed at.
>>>>> If the Pistons want to slow their game down, they're entitled  to  do 
>>>>> so. But
>>>>> why should the Spurs be affected?
>>>>>
>>>>> Bring the wrong equipment and then refuse to race because the 
>>>>> officials
>>>>> won't penalize your opponent?  Then again, like I said, I don't  watch
>>>>> Formula 1 on a regular basis.  So I *must* be missing  something. 
>>>>> From the
>>>>> outside, it looks rather silly.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Eric
>>>>> http://canid.com/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Leica Users Group.
>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more  information
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Leica Users Group.
>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Leica Users Group.
>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Leica Users Group.
>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Leica Users Group.
> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information
> 



Replies: Reply from rmcclure2 at woh.rr.com (Rob McClure) ([Leica] Out of Ideas)
In reply to: Message from abridge at gmail.com (Adam Bridge) ([Leica] Totally OT: What the HELL is F1 doing?)
Message from Frank.Dernie at btinternet.com (Frank Dernie) ([Leica] Totally OT: What the HELL is F1 doing?)
Message from pdzwig at summaventures.com (Peter Dzwig) ([Leica] Totally OT: What the HELL is F1 doing?)
Message from Frank.Dernie at btinternet.com (Frank Dernie) ([Leica] Totally OT: What the HELL is F1 doing?)
Message from ericm at pobox.com (Eric) ([Leica] Totally OT: What the HELL is F1 doing?)
Message from sethrosner at nycap.rr.com (Seth Rosner) ([Leica] Totally OT: What the HELL is F1 doing?)
Message from Frank.Dernie at btinternet.com (Frank Dernie) ([Leica] Totally OT: What the HELL is F1 doing?)
Message from sethrosner at nycap.rr.com (Seth Rosner) ([Leica] Totally OT: What the HELL is F1 doing?)
Message from Frank.Dernie at btinternet.com (Frank Dernie) ([Leica] Totally OT: What the HELL is F1 doing?)