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Subject: [Leica] Xtol recomended dilutions
From: lluisripollphotography at gmail.com (lluisripollphotography)
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 00:39:38 +0200
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Gerry I do exactly what Mark recomend, but put carefully a small dose of 
Photo Flo, if you put too much it can form a slight veil on film, I do last 
washing with distilled water

Cheers
Lluis
 
> El 15 juny 2017, a les 23:07, Gerry Walden <gerry.walden at icloud.com> va 
> escriure:
> 
> Forgive me, but when I asked this question I just wanted to know whether 
> there were any new kids on the block as far as developers went. I ssem to 
> have stirred up a hornets nest.
> 
> I remember now that I used to use Xtol 1:3 and it was about the best 
> around. If I go back to home processing that is what I will use. My big 
> problem is drying marks through film drying and final wash with very hard 
> chalky water.
> 
> Gerry
> 
> Gerry Walden LRPS
> www.gwpics.com
> +44 (0)23 8046 3076 or
> +44 (0)797 287 7932
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 15 Jun 2017, at 17:31, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Lluis I used to roll my film back to back two rolls in the same reel! And 
>> taught my assistants to do it. A few of them were incredulous.  I got 
>> this from a Bill Pierce column in Popular photography in the early 70?s 
>> it worked.
>> But it makes Kodak?s recommendations as to limits of Xtol and puts them 
>> in the dust.
>> I ran 8 rolls of 35mm film in a liter or quart of 1:3 Xtol.
>> Then dumped it down the drain. My times where close to what they should 
>> have been.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> 
>> Mark William Rabiner
>> Photographer
>> 
>> On 6/15/17, 10:40 AM, "LUG on behalf of lluisripollphotography" 
>> <lug-bounces+mark=rabinergroup.com at leica-users.org on behalf of 
>> lluisripollphotography at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>   Mark,
>> 
>>   Thank you for useful information, very interesting to learn it! You 
>> mention Delta 400, yes it is a great film, I?ve not use it after a while 
>> and just the past days I was in the darkroom enlarging, the pics with 
>> this one was very fine.
>> 
>>   Your recomendation about testing dilution is also very interesting to 
>> follow. 
>> 
>>   Thank you
>>   Lluis
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> El 15 juny 2017, a les 14:25, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> va 
>>> escriure:
>>> 
>>> If you Bing it or Google it for 15 minutes you?ll see the top, smart, 
>>> nice, funny spiritual people are all at 1:3. The ones whose prints sold 
>>> for the most money and who dressed better.
>>> Diluting Xtol 1:3 instead of 1:2 ads a couple of more minutes to it its 
>>> way worth it. With that you get better edge caracteristics which is 
>>> directly linked to higher dilution. And other advantages I was using 1:2 
>>> for a while and my prints were obviously worse. 
>>> 
>>> By the way in my college in the early 70?s in St. Louis, we did us 
>>> students who were always in the darkroom an unusual thing which I?d 
>>> never heard of other places. We all ran our film in D76 1:2 instead of 
>>> 1:1. The students who came in in the beginning of the year and ran the 
>>> recommended 1:1 and universal default had prints you could spot across 
>>> the room as being way less sharp. Way less edge. And way less sharp 
>>> grain. But a tad less grain. And they were not very nice people who told 
>>> bad jokes. It looked like they were shooting with Spiratone lenes.
>>> A good policy is to dilute until you hit a point when you?re seeing 
>>> uneven development in your negs. Washed out areas. Then you back up a 
>>> notch. But you?ll ahead of time see what everyone else is doing.
>>> Neopan Acros 100    Xtol 1:3 16? minutes 70 degrees? agitation every 
>>> minute and the first full minute.
>>> All film listed here is 1:3 70 degrees F, agitation every minute 10 
>>> seconds and the first full minute.
>>> Delta 100    14?
>>> Delta 3200  16?
>>> Delta 400     14? Neopan 1600 RIP my main film when out and about 
>>> shooting for myself. Even with a Noctilux.   12 minutes and looks like 
>>> an iso 100 film. And here you are shooting it on the street. No tripod. 
>>> I used it for on location commercial jobs no flash or tripod. The 100 
>>> with the studio strobes in the studio. Delta 100 from Ilford as just 
>>> about as good.
>>> Neopan Acros 100 16 ? as high a rez film anyone would ever want or need 
>>> in Xtol 1:3
>>> Get a tank so you can develop 8 rolls at a time or I can see your point 
>>> and wanting to keep shorter times.
>>> You?ll shoot more with a big boy tank.
>>> Pan F 50, they still make it.  12?
>>> Tri X 400  11?
>>> Tri X Pro 320 in 120 or 220 format, 15?
>>> All the other times here is for 35mm format. Times are different for 
>>> different formats why no one knows.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> 
>>> Mark William Rabiner
>>> Photographer
>>> 
>>> On 6/15/17, 7:32 AM, "LUG on behalf of lluisripollphotography" 
>>> <lug-bounces+mark=rabinergroup.com at leica-users.org on behalf of 
>>> lluisripollphotography at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>  Chris, Dan
>>> 
>>>  I will do 1+1 on my next two films, I want avoid long develping times. 
>>> I?ve used HC110 many years ago, but I liked better ID11/D76
>>> 
>>>  Cheers
>>>  Lluis
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> El 15 juny 2017, a les 11:49, Christopher Crawford <chris at 
>>>> chriscrawfordphoto.com> va escriure:
>>>> 
>>>> Its been years since I used Xtol. I never really liked the tonality as
>>>> much as D-76, though Xtol does give finer grain. I got best results
>>>> diluted 1+1.
>>>> 
>>>> Be careful with higher dilutions. Kodak, when it first came out, listed
>>>> times for 1+2 and 1+3 dilutions. A lot of photographers got severely
>>>> underdeveloped negs with those dilutions, using Kodak?s times. Turns 
>>>> out,
>>>> Xtol cannot stand being diluted that much unless you develop the film 
>>>> in a
>>>> much larger tank than you normally need. I think there had to be 200ml 
>>>> of
>>>> stock in the diluted developer for each roll, so for 1+3 developing, you
>>>> could do only one roll in a 32ox tank that could hold four rolls!
>>>> 
>>>> Kodak published the minimum stock quantity needed but a lot of people
>>>> ignored it and complained, so they just stopped publishing the times for
>>>> the higher dilutions!
>>>> 
>>>> I actually have a copy in PDF format of the original Xtol info booklet,
>>>> but the times would be off for Kodak films now since Kodak reformulated
>>>> Tri-X and the Tmax films since then. They did publish times for Ilford
>>>> films, which might still work if you?re interested in seeing it.
>>>> 
>>>> -- 
>>>> Chris Crawford
>>>> Fine Art Photography
>>>> Fort Wayne, Indiana
>>>> 260-437-8990
>>>> 
>>>> http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com  My portfolio
>>>> 
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>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 6/15/17, 5:15 AM, "LUG on behalf of lluisripollphotography"
>>>> <lug-bounces+chris=chriscrawfordphoto.com at leica-users.org on behalf 
>>>> of
>>>> lluisripollphotography at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I don?t have a large experience with Xtol, I?ve used for years 
>>>>> ID11/D76.
>>>>> I?ve developed my two last films of Bergger Pancro 400 in Xtol Stock at
>>>>> the recomended time, but I?m unhappy with the results. I?ve used it in
>>>>> stock to get the shortest developing time and minimize the grain 
>>>>> effect.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I would like hear your experiences with Xtol, I mainly use FP4 and HP5.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks in advance
>>>>> 
>>>>> Lluis
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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