Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2017/06/15
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Forgive me, but when I asked this question I just wanted to know whether there were any new kids on the block as far as developers went. I ssem to have stirred up a hornets nest. I remember now that I used to use Xtol 1:3 and it was about the best around. If I go back to home processing that is what I will use. My big problem is drying marks through film drying and final wash with very hard chalky water. Gerry Gerry Walden LRPS www.gwpics.com +44 (0)23 8046 3076 or +44 (0)797 287 7932 > On 15 Jun 2017, at 17:31, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote: > > Lluis I used to roll my film back to back two rolls in the same reel! And > taught my assistants to do it. A few of them were incredulous. I got this > from a Bill Pierce column in Popular photography in the early 70?s it > worked. > But it makes Kodak?s recommendations as to limits of Xtol and puts them in > the dust. > I ran 8 rolls of 35mm film in a liter or quart of 1:3 Xtol. > Then dumped it down the drain. My times where close to what they should > have been. > > > > > -- > > Mark William Rabiner > Photographer > > On 6/15/17, 10:40 AM, "LUG on behalf of lluisripollphotography" > <lug-bounces+mark=rabinergroup.com at leica-users.org on behalf of > lluisripollphotography at gmail.com> wrote: > > Mark, > > Thank you for useful information, very interesting to learn it! You > mention Delta 400, yes it is a great film, I?ve not use it after a while > and just the past days I was in the darkroom enlarging, the pics with this > one was very fine. > > Your recomendation about testing dilution is also very interesting to > follow. > > Thank you > Lluis > > > >> El 15 juny 2017, a les 14:25, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> va >> escriure: >> >> If you Bing it or Google it for 15 minutes you?ll see the top, smart, >> nice, funny spiritual people are all at 1:3. The ones whose prints sold >> for the most money and who dressed better. >> Diluting Xtol 1:3 instead of 1:2 ads a couple of more minutes to it its >> way worth it. With that you get better edge caracteristics which is >> directly linked to higher dilution. And other advantages I was using 1:2 >> for a while and my prints were obviously worse. >> >> By the way in my college in the early 70?s in St. Louis, we did us >> students who were always in the darkroom an unusual thing which I?d never >> heard of other places. We all ran our film in D76 1:2 instead of 1:1. The >> students who came in in the beginning of the year and ran the recommended >> 1:1 and universal default had prints you could spot across the room as >> being way less sharp. Way less edge. And way less sharp grain. But a tad >> less grain. And they were not very nice people who told bad jokes. It >> looked like they were shooting with Spiratone lenes. >> A good policy is to dilute until you hit a point when you?re seeing >> uneven development in your negs. Washed out areas. Then you back up a >> notch. But you?ll ahead of time see what everyone else is doing. >> Neopan Acros 100 Xtol 1:3 16? minutes 70 degrees? agitation every >> minute and the first full minute. >> All film listed here is 1:3 70 degrees F, agitation every minute 10 >> seconds and the first full minute. >> Delta 100 14? >> Delta 3200 16? >> Delta 400 14? Neopan 1600 RIP my main film when out and about >> shooting for myself. Even with a Noctilux. 12 minutes and looks like an >> iso 100 film. And here you are shooting it on the street. No tripod. I >> used it for on location commercial jobs no flash or tripod. The 100 with >> the studio strobes in the studio. Delta 100 from Ilford as just about as >> good. >> Neopan Acros 100 16 ? as high a rez film anyone would ever want or need >> in Xtol 1:3 >> Get a tank so you can develop 8 rolls at a time or I can see your point >> and wanting to keep shorter times. >> You?ll shoot more with a big boy tank. >> Pan F 50, they still make it. 12? >> Tri X 400 11? >> Tri X Pro 320 in 120 or 220 format, 15? >> All the other times here is for 35mm format. Times are different for >> different formats why no one knows. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Mark William Rabiner >> Photographer >> >> On 6/15/17, 7:32 AM, "LUG on behalf of lluisripollphotography" >> <lug-bounces+mark=rabinergroup.com at leica-users.org on behalf of >> lluisripollphotography at gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Chris, Dan >> >> I will do 1+1 on my next two films, I want avoid long develping times. >> I?ve used HC110 many years ago, but I liked better ID11/D76 >> >> Cheers >> Lluis >> >> >> >>> El 15 juny 2017, a les 11:49, Christopher Crawford <chris at >>> chriscrawfordphoto.com> va escriure: >>> >>> Its been years since I used Xtol. I never really liked the tonality as >>> much as D-76, though Xtol does give finer grain. I got best results >>> diluted 1+1. >>> >>> Be careful with higher dilutions. Kodak, when it first came out, listed >>> times for 1+2 and 1+3 dilutions. A lot of photographers got severely >>> underdeveloped negs with those dilutions, using Kodak?s times. Turns out, >>> Xtol cannot stand being diluted that much unless you develop the film in >>> a >>> much larger tank than you normally need. I think there had to be 200ml of >>> stock in the diluted developer for each roll, so for 1+3 developing, you >>> could do only one roll in a 32ox tank that could hold four rolls! >>> >>> Kodak published the minimum stock quantity needed but a lot of people >>> ignored it and complained, so they just stopped publishing the times for >>> the higher dilutions! >>> >>> I actually have a copy in PDF format of the original Xtol info booklet, >>> but the times would be off for Kodak films now since Kodak reformulated >>> Tri-X and the Tmax films since then. They did publish times for Ilford >>> films, which might still work if you?re interested in seeing it. >>> >>> -- >>> Chris Crawford >>> Fine Art Photography >>> Fort Wayne, Indiana >>> 260-437-8990 >>> >>> http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio >>> >>> http://www.facebook.com/pages/Christopher-Crawford/48229272798 >>> Become a fan on Facebook >>> >>> >>> >>> On 6/15/17, 5:15 AM, "LUG on behalf of lluisripollphotography" >>> <lug-bounces+chris=chriscrawfordphoto.com at leica-users.org on behalf of >>> lluisripollphotography at gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I don?t have a large experience with Xtol, I?ve used for years ID11/D76. >>>> I?ve developed my two last films of Bergger Pancro 400 in Xtol Stock at >>>> the recomended time, but I?m unhappy with the results. I?ve used it in >>>> stock to get the shortest developing time and minimize the grain effect. >>>> >>>> I would like hear your experiences with Xtol, I mainly use FP4 and HP5. >>>> >>>> Thanks in advance >>>> >>>> Lluis >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information