Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2013/05/10

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Subject: [Leica] Petition Against Adobe Subscription Model
From: ric at cartersxrd.net (RicCarter)
Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 10:26:07 -0400
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you have cs6?

i think that's a price for 1 year, becomes $50 on 13th month

be sure to check the fine print.

ric


On May 10, 2013, at 10:23 AM, Tina Manley <images at comporium.net> wrote:

> I get promotional pricing from Adobe of $19.99 per month for the entire
> Creative Cloud.  Why is that?  I about to push the Accept button because it
> seems like a bargain to me!
> 
> Tina
> 
> 
> On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 1:06 AM, Geoff Hopkinson <hopsternew at 
> gmail.com>wrote:
> 
>> Frank there is a Q&A on DPReview with the VP of Creative solutions that 
>> you
>> may find helpful.
>> 
>> (on retaining your existing access to your own property (the files you
>> created) )
>> ....and for existing perpetual users, Photoshop CS can co-exist alongside
>> and independently from Photoshop CC
>> 
>> So whatever your existing licence arrangement it can continue exactly as
>> before, whether or not you choose the start/stop a subscription to the new
>> versions.
>> 
>> (on cancelling your subscription)
>> *......We do not delete any files or software from your computer. You will
>> not be able to use the software but the files you've created and saved on
>> your hard drive are left intact.*
>> 
>> Of course if you are shooting a Raw format you have always been able to
>> preserve the native format or alternatively convert to DNG, You can export
>> as whatever other format you choose too.
>> Personally I am more concerned at maintaining back up copies of my many
>> many digital photos as we all are.
>> 
>> Periodically companies do stop supporting different hardware and operating
>> systems as you mention. For example the Nikon software for my expensive
>> Nikon scanner will not work at all in current Windows versions (unless you
>> use an unsupported hack).
>> At least in this instance you can maintain your existing situation
>> (assuming you have a current perpetual licence) whether or not you elect 
>> to
>> take up a new subscription model.
>> 
>> I guess that opinions are polarised on Adobe's new model and no-one's
>> opinion is likely to change. Each of us will work out what suits us and
>> rightly so. I'm only in this discussion with facts since there seems to be
>> a lot of mis-information mis-conceptions across the web on what is 
>> actually
>> the case.
>> 
>> FWIW personally, the full $49.95 p/m for the complete suite does not make
>> sense for my situation as a photographer. A Photoshop CC subscription and
>> perpetual licence for Lightroom combination for less money may well do.
>> I think that Lightroom will continue to grow in capabilities and perhaps
>> supplant PS all together for almost everything I want to do.
>> 
>> 
>> We do not delete any files or software from your computer. You will not be
>> able to use the software but the files you've created and saved on your
>> hard drive are left intact. And you don't need a valid license or Internet
>> connection tohe software
>> cheers
>> Geoff
>> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman
>> 
>> 
>> On 10 May 2013 00:32, Frank Filippone <red735i at verizon.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> Here is what I see as major problems....
>>> 
>>> It is 2018, you have been paying $20 a month for 4 years for CS-CC.
>> Adobe
>>> decides to go broke, decides to support some new computer architecture,
>>> decides to no longer support MAC ( or IBM) OS, or decides that it needs
>> to
>>> upgrade its software to the point that the old images you manipulated in
>>> 2008 no longer can be opened/manipulated by CS-CC/2018.
>>> 
>>> Now what?  Migrate thousands of images to some new SW?  What about your
>>> previous manipulations?  Do they stick or do they get eliminated in the
>>> migration?
>>> 
>>> It is late one evening.  You need to make edits to images and deliver
>> those
>>> images to your client first thing in the AM.  Adobe, that day,
>>> changed/upgraded something and you now can no longer find some feature
>> you
>>> have been using for the past years.  You are under time constraints.  You
>>> can not find the way to interact with the program like you have been...
>>> Now
>>> What?
>>> 
>>> Owning SW always means that it can be used, in the future, as needed, on
>>> the
>>> HW and OS that it was originally intended, in the way it always ran.  It
>>> means YOU decide when to upgrade, migrate, etc.
>>> 
>>> CC is the newest risk.
>>> 
>>> Frank Filippone
>>> Red735i at verizon.net
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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>> 
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>> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Tina Manley, ASMP
> www.tinamanley.com
> 
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