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Subject: [Leica] difference between documentarian and documented
From: steve.barbour at gmail.com (Steve Barbour)
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 14:19:50 -0700
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On Mar 20, 2010, at 12:51 PM, George Lottermoser wrote:

> Jeffery you take me back to my days of teaching at Columbia College 
> Chicago.
> Damn. I miss the classroom a whole lot. I loved interacting with those 
> kids.
> They taught me every bit or more than I could offer them
> (with a few exceptions in both directions).
> 
> Your points about privacy in the class room are of course well taken.
> The same holds true for any number of other private venues.
> 
> Yet documentary work on the public streets remains a different case 
> entirely.
> We'd assume that most people have prepared themselves to "be seen" in 
> public;
> if not also photographed. And so far, for the moment, we still have the 
> right to document
> public life; and I believe also work to preserve that right; with or 
> without press credentials.


People in public, are seen in public and videotaped in public many thousands 
of times every day, without their permission. 

What is different about having a still photo shot?

If for any reason they are that precarious about being seen and photographed 
without permission, they best stay at home,

Steve...
> 
> Regards,
> George Lottermoser
> george at imagist.com
> http://www.imagist.com
> http://www.imagist.com/blog
> http://www.linkedin.com/in/imagist
> 
> On Mar 20, 2010, at 2:25 PM, Jeffery Smith wrote:
> 
>> They also don't have a heads-up and some don't have their finest makeup 
>> on. But some are truly camera-averse. I have several shots of the top of 
>> someone's head. They didn't want the front of their head photographed (so 
>> I learned their names by the tops of their heads).
>> 
>> And some of the students may have outstanding warrants or illegal 
>> activity in their lives. I have had several prostitutes in my past 
>> classes, and they weren't the high class escort variety. One or more of 
>> my students has had to drop due to incarceration every year. My three 
>> valid reasons for a student missing a string of classes are (1) 
>> hospitalization, (2) active military duty, and (3) being in jail. Drugs, 
>> prostitution, bad checks, etc. are not uncommon in big cities with 
>> economic woes.
> 
> 
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