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Subject: [Leica] New 35mm cropped
From: Frank.Dernie at btinternet.com (Frank Dernie)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 07:36:30 +0000
References: <C7727D5A.5BDB3%mark@rabinergroup.com>

Hi Mark,
I think you are -really- missing out not using a M8. Unless you are going to 
print huge prints the M9 really only has the benefit of not needing IR 
filters.
If you really think you are better off with a Nikon D40 then your need for 
low weight considerably exceeds your need for image quality.
Obviously the photographer is more important than the tool, HCB used good 
quality cameras but his results impressed artistically not technically IMO.
The M8 is a great camera, one I use -much- more often than my FF DSLR.
You seem to have a serious psychological objection to the M8.
Frank, who thinks the best film Leica was the M5...

On 13 Jan, 2010, at 00:26, Mark Rabiner wrote:

>> Mark Rabiner wrote:
>> 
>>>>> 
>> I'm going to make a quick expenditure to keep me going.
>> A 35mm lens.
>> And its not a Leica lens, I've already got a 35 ASPH Summicron.
>> Its for my Nikon cropped DSLR's I'm using in the interim.
>> <<<
>> 
>> Or you could get a used M8 and use your 35mm Summiron ASPH and use the 
>> same
>> lens on your future M9.5
>> 
>> 35mm x 1.33 crop factor ~46.55mm
>> f/2 and be there, and be sharp.  The image area you'd get with the 35mm
>> ASPH on an M8 is bigger than the image area you'd get with the Nikon 35 on
>> the D40
> 
> 
> Is that what you're using Doug? An M8?
> It will be interesting to see in a year what  they are selling for.
> And who wants to buy them. It won't be me.  Will I know them or just read
> about them?
> An M9 I've VERY excited about.
> On a 1-10 I'd give the M9 an 11.
> When the price is plummeting amazingly like en elevator in a copper  mine 
> on
> a piece of  critical gear its not when I start thinking about investing in
> it.
> Its when I start being happy about not  being stuck with it in the first
> place.
> 
> An M8 would get from me and many a pretty low grade at this point thank god
> hindsight. The M8 is really all about hindsite.
> And I almost got one when they first came out but for the Fates.
> Yes many of us here have made some excellent images with them. And still
> will in the near future perhaps.
> But if ever there were was a camera which belongs squarely in the past as a
> quirky historic footnote its a Leica M8. On that front will make an M5 look
> like a rousing winner.
> It kept the price of Leica glass up and kept some people using their Leica 
> M
> system  And I'm not selling mine Leica glass I'm getting them going again 
> on
> a Leica M9. However long it takes.
> To me and many a  Leica M9 is a real camera.
> An M8 is a first out experiment. With the best intentions.
> I was glad to watch it go by.
> 
> 
> Mark William Rabiner
> 
> 
> 
> 
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