Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2008/12/17

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Subject: [Leica] ZEISS BIOTAR 58/2
From: luisripoll at (Lluis Ripoll)
Date: Wed Dec 17 15:39:30 2008
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Hi Marc,

Thank you very much for all your really interesting details and  
general information, I'm very happy with my old new toy, at least I  
can say that I have something archaeolgical!. Well, I've paid much  
more less than the values indicated by you, this would be a good deal  
if the today value was between 800/1200$. I've saw a similar one on e- 
bay, announced as a Contax F, but with the same logo as mine, asking  
"Buy it now" for 813$ ...??!

Well, the camera and lens is younger than me, it shall run!

Saludos cordiales

El 18/12/2008, a las 0:10, Marc James Small escribi?:

> At 05:23 PM 12/17/2008, Lluis Ripoll wrote:
> >Hi Marc,
> >
> >It is not a secret, the PENTACON is the model F, S/N 186012 the lens
> >is marked JENA S/N 5505038. Here you can see the camera:
> Thanks, Luis
> The camera was in production between 1956 and 1960 but I cannot find  
> a more precise breakdown by serial number.  The camera was also  
> marketed in some parts of the world as the Contax F.  The F cost  
> 643DM in 1956 and this had fallen to 499DM as the model was phased  
> out.  But I am not certain WHICH DM this would be;  it might be the  
> DDR Mark or the BRD Mark, the former generally running about 70% of  
> the value of the BRD Mark for most of the era.  If this is in the  
> "four to the dollar" BRD Mark, then these prices, adjusted for  
> inflation, would be around $1200 in 1956 at today's values and $870  
> by 1966.  If these values are in the East German Mark, then these  
> values would be reduced by 30%.
> I own a Contax D, a Hexacon-rebadged ContaSol -- VEB Zeiss Ikon was  
> not permitted to use Zeiss intellectual properties in the US at the  
> time -- which I occasionally use.  These cameras are remarkably  
> complex as only a German industrial production can be, and, to add  
> insult to injury, they were produced on machinery appallingly worn  
> out by Wartime over-use.  But it is a fun camera to use, despite  
> Peter Dechert's warnings about it's reliability.
> The 2/58 CZJ Biotar is more interesting.  The factory records show a  
> gap between 5504092 and 5506001, and your lens indicates that at  
> least some of the production in this 1900-lens void consisted of the  
> 2/58 Biotar in M42.  Industrial archaeology and reconstruction of  
> lost records continues!  The production date was possibly in the  
> summer of 1958.
> Marc
> Cha robh b?s fir gun ghr?s fir!
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