Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2008/12/04
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Chris it is DIFFERENT and requires a different skill set to get the best from it. Naturally it is just as relevant as it ever was. I was expounding on the possibilities of digital Raw capture for BW of course. I'm better with that skill set than the film one. Cheers Geoff http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman/e http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/gh/ Pick up your camera and make the best photo you can. -----Original Message----- Subject: RE: [Leica] David and confused So I suppose there is little argument even for B&W film any more. Perhaps the randomness and approximation of the traditional methods will remain a strength for some. At 11:24 PM 12/3/2008, you wrote: >YES!! Someone else gets it! >Even better, when you get to Raw files in CS4 there is even more >functionality (for colour and BW) in the form of adjustment brushes and >targeted adjustments and snapshots that let you save all of the >development settings and new camera profiles and... Oh just try it out >if you want a good insight. You can get a 30 day trial from Adobe, I'm >sure. Check out some of the Adobe tutorials too. >Absolutely compose and visualize the photo as a BW from the start, if >that's how you prefer to work, that makes perfect sense when you've >seen patterns and contrast and textures, shapes etc that you know will >make a great BW shot. Just capture all of the colour information that >gives you the possibilities to do all of the above and a lot more. You >can easily use combinations to simulate a specific film too, if you want. > > >Cheers >Geoff >http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman/e >http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/gh/ >Pick up your camera and make the best photo you can. > >-----Original Message----- >Subject: Re: [Leica] David and confused > >The issue to me is that doing black and white is not a mouse click away. >Its a lot more hands on involved than that. >The mouse click away indicated you've just changed it into grayscale >like in Photoshop 4 or 5 a few years ago. > >And now you open up a file in CS3 or I assume CS4 I've not quite got >yet and you've got an HSL/Greyscale panel with 8 color sliders on it >with presets and things you can load in and or save. As you're working >these sliders and preset you see the various elements in your image, >the sky the foliage the bricks change as you do it. So things are >separated out they way you want them to be. The way you'd never get >them to be in a million years shooting film. > >Or you can open it up in full color. >Go into the menu adjustments / Black and White. >Here you've got the color sliders again but much better set up presets. >particularly >Green filter, >Infrared >red filter, yellow filter >High contrast red filter. > >After you hit a preset you can then tweak the 8 color sliders till your >picture is filtered perfectly. > >Its like dying and going to heaven. >A black and white photographers dream come true. > >And the bad part is.... >There is no bad part. > > > > >mark@rabinergroup.com >Mark William Rabiner > > > > > From: Philippe AMARD <philippe.amard@tele2.fr> > > Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug@leica-users.org> > > Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 20:32:14 +0100 > > To: Leica Users Group <lug@leica-users.org> > > Subject: Re: [Leica] Daved and confused > > > > Hi Dave, > > I understand your qualms. > > In many ways, your own brains decide. BW or colour, who cares so > > long as you still decide what pleases you better. > > Yet, everything starts with visualisation; light, shapes, people, > > places, etc - the rest is only technology, i.e. immaterial and can > > be changed, at any time. > > It also ends up with you, you seeing what has come of your > > endeavour, and often another person visualising your end product - > > and this is also what matters. > > I am unsure the subject can be tackled differently, in photographic > > terms I mean. > > So no qualms - visualise, shoot, make the most of the neg/file/0 > > and1s to your taste, and please our eyes with beautiful never seen > > before, and never to be seen again photographs. > > Bien amicalement. > > Philippe > > > > David Rodgers wrote: > > > >> Perhaps this is too deep a subject for a shallow mind such as mine, > >> but when I first learned photography I was taught that > >> visualization > >> -- the process of imagining the final print before snapping the > >> shutter -- was essential to good photography. It was difficult, but > >> made a little easier because your scope of visualization was more > >> narrow. For instance, you were pretty much locked into the type of > >> film you were using. > >> > >> Certainly you could cross over from BW to color using Marshall Oils > >> or the opposite direction using Panalure, but how common was it to > >> do so? I think I used Marshall Oils one time and I still have > >> leftovers from my first and only box of Panalure. > >> > >> Now we can switch back and forth -- and I do it often, from color > >> to BW and back, at least -- with a mouse click. Since nearly all > >> digital begins in color (I'm not diciplined enough to shoot in > >> monochrome > >> mode) it's almost like I'm admitting defeat when I determine that > >> an image can't make it as a color image so I try and dress it up a > >> little in >BW. > >> > >> Thus when I shoot digital I feel like I'm a color photographer who > >> uses BW -- aka zero saturation -- as a crutch to make bad photos > >> that have some compositional merit but are colorly challenged, into > >> mediocre photos; sometimes even really good BW photos, if I'm lucky. > >> I can even hide unwanted artifacts....even noise. > >> > >> Has happenstance replaced visualization? Is this even something > >> worth discussing? WWAS? (What would Ansel say?) Was visualization > >> merely a fancy metaphore for "you're stuck with what's in your > >> camera, so make the most of it". > >> > >> There was a day when I'd have given my eye teeth to have someone > >> come up to me and offer a magic film that could be either color or > >> BW at the snap of my finger. After all, visualization was a tough > >> thing for me to grasp. Sadly, now that I'm an old dog I can't > >> ungrasp it. I'm conflicted and confused. What's that old saying? > >> Careful what you wish >for..... > >> > >> DaveR > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Leica Users Group. > >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more > >> information > >> > >> > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Leica Users Group. > > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > >_______________________________________________ >Leica Users Group. >See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > >_______________________________________________ >Leica Users Group. >See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information Chris Saganich MS, CPH Senior Physicist, Office of Health Physics Weill Medical College of Cornell University New York Presbyterian Hospital chs2018@med.cornell.edu http://intranet.med.cornell.edu/research/health_phys/ Ph. 212.746.6964 Fax. 212.746.4800 Office A-0049 "I am the radiation" _______________________________________________ Leica Users Group. 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