Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2008/12/03
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]YES!! Someone else gets it! Even better, when you get to Raw files in CS4 there is even more functionality (for colour and BW) in the form of adjustment brushes and targeted adjustments and snapshots that let you save all of the development settings and new camera profiles and... Oh just try it out if you want a good insight. You can get a 30 day trial from Adobe, I'm sure. Check out some of the Adobe tutorials too. Absolutely compose and visualize the photo as a BW from the start, if that's how you prefer to work, that makes perfect sense when you've seen patterns and contrast and textures, shapes etc that you know will make a great BW shot. Just capture all of the colour information that gives you the possibilities to do all of the above and a lot more. You can easily use combinations to simulate a specific film too, if you want. Cheers Geoff http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman/e http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/gh/ Pick up your camera and make the best photo you can. -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: [Leica] David and confused The issue to me is that doing black and white is not a mouse click away. Its a lot more hands on involved than that. The mouse click away indicated you've just changed it into grayscale like in Photoshop 4 or 5 a few years ago. And now you open up a file in CS3 or I assume CS4 I've not quite got yet and you've got an HSL/Greyscale panel with 8 color sliders on it with presets and things you can load in and or save. As you're working these sliders and preset you see the various elements in your image, the sky the foliage the bricks change as you do it. So things are separated out they way you want them to be. The way you'd never get them to be in a million years shooting film. Or you can open it up in full color. Go into the menu adjustments / Black and White. Here you've got the color sliders again but much better set up presets. particularly Green filter, Infrared red filter, yellow filter High contrast red filter. After you hit a preset you can then tweak the 8 color sliders till your picture is filtered perfectly. Its like dying and going to heaven. A black and white photographers dream come true. And the bad part is.... There is no bad part. mark@rabinergroup.com Mark William Rabiner > From: Philippe AMARD <philippe.amard@tele2.fr> > Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug@leica-users.org> > Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 20:32:14 +0100 > To: Leica Users Group <lug@leica-users.org> > Subject: Re: [Leica] Daved and confused > > Hi Dave, > I understand your qualms. > In many ways, your own brains decide. BW or colour, who cares so long > as you still decide what pleases you better. > Yet, everything starts with visualisation; light, shapes, people, > places, etc - the rest is only technology, i.e. immaterial and can be > changed, at any time. > It also ends up with you, you seeing what has come of your endeavour, > and often another person visualising your end product - and this is > also what matters. > I am unsure the subject can be tackled differently, in photographic > terms I mean. > So no qualms - visualise, shoot, make the most of the neg/file/0 and1s > to your taste, and please our eyes with beautiful never seen before, > and never to be seen again photographs. > Bien amicalement. > Philippe > > David Rodgers wrote: > >> Perhaps this is too deep a subject for a shallow mind such as mine, >> but when I first learned photography I was taught that visualization >> -- the process of imagining the final print before snapping the >> shutter -- was essential to good photography. It was difficult, but >> made a little easier because your scope of visualization was more >> narrow. For instance, you were pretty much locked into the type of >> film you were using. >> >> Certainly you could cross over from BW to color using Marshall Oils >> or the opposite direction using Panalure, but how common was it to do >> so? I think I used Marshall Oils one time and I still have leftovers >> from my first and only box of Panalure. >> >> Now we can switch back and forth -- and I do it often, from color to >> BW and back, at least -- with a mouse click. Since nearly all digital >> begins in color (I'm not diciplined enough to shoot in monochrome >> mode) it's almost like I'm admitting defeat when I determine that an >> image can't make it as a color image so I try and dress it up a little in BW. >> >> Thus when I shoot digital I feel like I'm a color photographer who >> uses BW -- aka zero saturation -- as a crutch to make bad photos that >> have some compositional merit but are colorly challenged, into >> mediocre photos; sometimes even really good BW photos, if I'm lucky. >> I can even hide unwanted artifacts....even noise. >> >> Has happenstance replaced visualization? Is this even something worth >> discussing? WWAS? (What would Ansel say?) Was visualization merely a >> fancy metaphore for "you're stuck with what's in your camera, so make >> the most of it". >> >> There was a day when I'd have given my eye teeth to have someone come >> up to me and offer a magic film that could be either color or BW at >> the snap of my finger. After all, visualization was a tough thing for >> me to grasp. Sadly, now that I'm an old dog I can't ungrasp it. I'm >> conflicted and confused. What's that old saying? Careful what you wish for..... >> >> DaveR >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information _______________________________________________ Leica Users Group. See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information