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Subject: [Leica] DMR and RAW converters
From: hoppyman at bigpond.net.au (Geoff Hopkinson)
Date: Tue Nov 4 03:57:22 2008
References: <20081104000208.4FF02619@resin09.mta.everyone.net> <3cad89990811040343k2865c1afvf8c7dbe3dc81e35a@mail.gmail.com>

I'll take three!
But can it get my LUG mail, surf to eBay and run Photoshop??? ;-) 


Cheers
Geoff
http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman/e
http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/gh/
Pick up your camera and make the best photo you can.

-----Original Message-----
Subject: Re: [Leica] DMR and RAW converters

Alastair,
Get a couple of these for trips, and do not take the laptop:

http://www.hyperdrive.com/

I have the Colorspace model, with the 2.2" screen, and it is fast &
reliable. When the hard drive is full, just replace the drive, and put away
the original as a permanent backup.

Cheers
Jayanand

On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 1:32 PM, Alastair Firkin <afirkin@afirkin.com> wrote:

> The DMR files are pretty large: means less fit on the onboard sd card 
> as well. They are dng, but do not use the M8's "compression". I keep 
> them as Leica DMR RAW: I think my external disc and back up will be 
> big enough, and I'll take some DVD'S.
>
> I have used LR (which is camera Raw 4.6 I think, but every now and 
> then someone including Leica talk about Capture one as being 
> "superior" in some way.
>
> Don't be jealous, get on board ;-) Actually, I suspect if the Aussie 
> Dollar languishes in its current hole this might spell the end of 
> expensive trips for me for a little while. I'm not sure my soul could 
> not cope with a trip to the US at 50c again!!!
>
> Cheers
>
> --- hoppyman@bigpond.net.au wrote:
>
> From: "Geoff Hopkinson" <hoppyman@bigpond.net.au>
> To: "'Leica Users Group'" <lug@leica-users.org>
> Subject: RE: [Leica] digital analog comparison
> Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 17:46:24 +1000
>
> Alastair, just keep your Raw files and you can experiment at leisure 
> with different converters later if you want. If you convert to DNG you 
> will not lose any information anyway. For the M8 of course that is 
> what you will have anyway. The only disadvantage for a non-Leica 
> camera would be that the camera maker's proprietary software would not 
> read them. Although you can embed the Raw file in the DNG as well that 
> will make it larger and gain you nothing for during the trip.
> We can talk more about Raw converters when you return. Absolutely 
> nothing lost in the meantime.
> Oh and I'm insanely jealous once again about this new trip. Watch out 
> for amorous leopard seals. Don't wear your seal coloured fur coat either.
>
>
> Cheers
> Geoff
> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman/e
> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/gh/
> Pick up your camera and make the best photo you can.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: lug-bounces+hoppyman=bigpond.net.au@leica-users.org
> [mailto:lug-bounces+hoppyman <lug-bounces%2Bhoppyman>=bigpond.net.au@
> leica-users.org] On Behalf Of
> Alastair Firkin
> Sent: Tuesday, 4 November 2008 15:35
> To: Leica Users Group
> Subject: Re: [Leica] digital analog comparison
>
> Thanks Doug. In the arctic with the 180mm and 2x converter, I tried to 
> use 1/3000 when I could, but it seems I might have been a bit 
> paranoid. I'm testing a bit before I go. Things tend to not move fast 
> in the antarctic, but from the zodiacs, you do get the same roll.
>
> I still don't quite understand the differences that a RAW converter 
> can make over another. Perhaps I should look at Flexcolour.
>
> Thanks again for your patience
>
> Alastair
>
> --- wildlightphoto@earthlink.net wrote:
>
> From: wildlightphoto@earthlink.net
> To: Leica Users Group <lug@leica-users.org>
> Subject: Re: [Leica] digital analog comparison
> Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 20:40:33 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
>
> Alastair Firkin wrote:
>
> > Doug,
> > could you re-enlighten me on the settings you use with the DMR for 
> > your wildlife work?
>
> Typically I use ISO 400 with -1 exposure compensation, but that's 
> really just a starting point or for when chimping is impractical.  
> More often I'll review the histograms of the first few exposures to be 
> sure I'm not clipping any highlights, and to set the exposure so the 
> histogram is as far to the right as possible w/o clipping.  I have the 
> display set up to highlight clipped pixels.
>
> > Also, any comments about what to do with the files:
> > should I keep them as the big 20meg files
>
> Yes.  I use Imacon Flexcolor so I can't comment on C1 or LR.
>
> > Any hints on handling? Boy just typing this is making me keen to 
> > "get out there".
>
> Minimum acceptable shutter speeds will vary from one person to the 
> next, from one day to the next, and from one situation to the next.  
> On dry land with the 560, shoulder stock & monopod, I try to stick 
> with 1/125 sec or faster but this isn't a strict rule.  I've gone 
> slower to 1/60 sec, and if I'm in a hurry or the critter is moving 
> 1/125 sec will be too slow.  In the kayak I often use 1/3000 sec 
> because EVERYTHING is moving: the bird is swimming on ripples that are 
> making it bob up & down, the kayak is being pushed laterally and 
> turning from the slightest breeze, plus the kayak is rolling slightly, 
> bobbing out of sync with the bird, and its roll angle changes as I turn to
follow the bird.
>
> With the 280mm lens on dry land with shoulder stock & monopod 1/60 sec 
> is often fine (subject motion permitting) and when I have something 
> solid to lean against 1/15 sec sometimes works too.
>
> Doug Herr
> Birdman of Sacramento
> http://www.wildlightphoto.com
>
>
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Replies: Reply from jayanand at gmail.com (Jayanand Govindaraj) ([Leica] DMR and RAW converters)
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