Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2011/12/07
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Thanks, Leo. I will look into that. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leowesson" <leowesson at gmail.com> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 1:46 PM Subject: Re: [Leica] LUG mail being blocked by bad ISPs,some people auto-unsubscribed > Jim, > > You can set up outlook express to check your Gmail. > > Leo Wesson > www.leowesson.com > > On Dec 7, 2011, at 13:37, "Jim Nichols" <jhnichols at lighttube.net> wrote: > >> Hi Steve, >> >> Brian set me up sometime ago to post from either my usual address or my >> gmail address. Last evening, I was attempting to change my subscriber >> address to my gmail address, which also required me to re-enable my >> subscription, which was disabled because of the large number of bounces. >> When I submitted this change, which requires Brian's approval, LUG mail >> began to appear at my normal address. >> >> So, I am caught in the midst of a change, which the system won't allow me >> to reverse, and Brian is out of touch. However, everything is >> functioning. >> >> I know this doesn't answer your question about gmail. Outlook Express is >> much more flexible than gmail, so I prefer to stick with it if possible. >> >> Jim Nichols >> Tullahoma, TN USA >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Barbour" >> <steve.barbour at gmail.com> >> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org> >> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 1:26 PM >> Subject: Re: [Leica] LUG mail being blocked by bad ISPs,some people >> auto-unsubscribed >> >> >>> >>> On Dec 7, 2011, at 11:19 AM, Jim Nichols wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Bill, >>>> >>>> It is very difficult for the user to determine where the blocking is >>>> being done. Since I know who furnishes spam blocking for my local ISP, >>>> I suspect that they are the culprits, but suspecting and knowing are >>>> two different things. Even the support people at my local ISP have >>>> difficulty with this. I furnished them a printout of the full header on >>>> a typical message from the LUG to me, and they worked with support >>>> folks further up the line. As of this morning, they had no feedback, >>>> but the problem disappeared yesterday afternoon. >>>> >>>> Now I am trying to find out whether the correction resulted from my >>>> emails to Carrierzone, or from the efforts of my ISP. They may never >>>> admit there was a problem. >>>> >>>> All told, a pretty weak case for litigation. >>> >>> >>> not sure is this may provide a solution to this issue, how about >>> subscribing with a gmail address ? Does that change anything? >>> >>> >>> Steve >>> >>> >>>> >>>> Jim Nichols >>>> Tullahoma, TN USA >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Pearce" <billcpearce at >>>> cox.net> >>>> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 1:08 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] LUG mail being blocked by bad ISPs,some people >>>> auto-unsubscribed >>>> >>>> >>>>> Boys, this is America! Litigation is always in order! >>>>> >>>>> Bill Pearce >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Bryan Willman >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 12:43 PM >>>>> To: Leica Users Group >>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] LUG mail being blocked by bad ISPs, some people >>>>> auto-unsubscribed >>>>> >>>>> I wonder if such behavoir (by van Riel) constitutes defamation, and if >>>>> litigation (or the threat thereof) might be of use. >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: lug-bounces+bryanwi=bryanwi.com at leica-users.org >>>>> [mailto:lug-bounces+bryanwi=bryanwi.com at leica-users.org] On Behalf >>>>> Of >>>>> Brian Reid >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 4:07 PM >>>>> To: lug at leica-users.org >>>>> Subject: [Leica] LUG mail being blocked by bad ISPs, some people >>>>> auto-unsubscribed >>>>> >>>>> A bunch of LUG subscribers have been auto-unsubscribed because of a >>>>> lazy >>>>> ideologue in Merrimack New Hampshire named Rik van Riel. Rik believes >>>>> that he >>>>> has the only solution to the spam detection problem, and unfortunately >>>>> a few >>>>> ISPs believe him. Responsible ISPs use dozens upon dozens of factors >>>>> to >>>>> classify something as spam. Since van Riel doesn't charge for his >>>>> spam-finding >>>>> service, cheapo ISPs will sometimes use it and only it. When van >>>>> Riel's spam >>>>> detectors make a mistake (which he, of course, believes is not >>>>> possible) then >>>>> mail stops getting delivered to the customers of the ISPs that depend >>>>> on his >>>>> free service. >>>>> >>>>> If you are one of the people whose LUG subscription went away, you can >>>>> think >>>>> bad thoughts about Rik van Riel. Ideologues like him rarely change >>>>> their >>>>> position as a result of argument from other people, so there is no >>>>> point >>>>> trying to yell at him or reason with him. In a certain sense the real >>>>> villains >>>>> are the owners of the ISPs that are too cheap to buy real commercial >>>>> spam-blocking service, which requires human participation and is >>>>> therefore not >>>>> free. >>>>> >>>>> The only viable long-term solution to false-positive spam nightmares >>>>> is to >>>>> find a responsible ISP. Cheapo ISPs are going to use cheapo >>>>> spam-control >>>>> companies, who invariably lock onto free services run by ideologues. >>>>> >>>>> If you are one of the victims, you of course aren't getting this >>>>> email, but >>>>> you might see it on the website or you might get a copy forwarded from >>>>> a >>>>> friend. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > >