[Leica] LUG mail being blocked by bad ISPs, some people auto-unsubscribed

[jhnichols at lighttube.net (Jim Nichols)]

Hi Bill,

It is very difficult for the user to determine where the blocking is being 
done.  Since I know who furnishes spam blocking for my local ISP, I suspect 
that they are the culprits, but suspecting and knowing are two different 
things.  Even the support people at my local ISP have difficulty with this. 
I furnished them a printout of the full header on a typical message from the 
LUG to me, and they worked with support folks further up the line.  As of 
this morning, they had no feedback, but the problem disappeared yesterday 
afternoon.

Now I am trying to find out whether the correction resulted from my emails 
to Carrierzone, or from the efforts of my ISP.  They may never admit there 
was a problem.

All told, a pretty weak case for litigation.

Jim Nichols
Tullahoma, TN USA
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Pearce" <billcpearce at cox.net>
To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org>
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Leica] LUG mail being blocked by bad ISPs,some people 
auto-unsubscribed


> Boys, this is America! Litigation is always in order!
>
> Bill Pearce
>
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Bryan Willman
> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 12:43 PM
> To: Leica Users Group
> Subject: Re: [Leica] LUG mail being blocked by bad ISPs, some people 
> auto-unsubscribed
>
> I wonder if such behavoir (by van Riel) constitutes defamation, and if 
> litigation (or the threat thereof) might be of use.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: lug-bounces+bryanwi=bryanwi.com at leica-users.org 
> [mailto:lug-bounces+bryanwi=bryanwi.com at leica-users.org] On Behalf Of 
> Brian Reid
> Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 4:07 PM
> To: lug at leica-users.org
> Subject: [Leica] LUG mail being blocked by bad ISPs, some people 
> auto-unsubscribed
>
> A bunch of LUG subscribers have been auto-unsubscribed because of a lazy
> ideologue in Merrimack New Hampshire named Rik van Riel. Rik believes that 
> he
> has the only solution to the spam detection problem, and unfortunately a 
> few
> ISPs believe him.  Responsible ISPs use dozens upon dozens of factors to
> classify something as spam. Since van Riel doesn't charge for his 
> spam-finding
> service, cheapo ISPs will sometimes use it and only it. When van Riel's 
> spam
> detectors make a mistake (which he, of course, believes is not possible) 
> then
> mail stops getting delivered to the customers of the ISPs that depend on 
> his
> free service.
>
> If you are one of the people whose LUG subscription went away, you can 
> think
> bad thoughts about Rik van Riel. Ideologues like him rarely change their
> position as a result of argument from other people, so there is no point
> trying to yell at him or reason with him. In a certain sense the real 
> villains
> are the owners of the ISPs that are too cheap to buy real commercial
> spam-blocking service, which requires human participation and is therefore 
> not
> free.
>
> The only viable long-term solution to false-positive spam nightmares is to
> find a responsible ISP. Cheapo ISPs are going to use cheapo spam-control
> companies, who invariably lock onto free services run by ideologues.
>
> If you are one of the victims, you of course aren't getting this email, 
> but
> you might see it on the website or you might get a copy forwarded from a
> friend.
>
>
>
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