Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2011/12/07
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]On Dec 7, 2011, at 11:19 AM, Jim Nichols wrote: > Hi Bill, > > It is very difficult for the user to determine where the blocking is being > done. Since I know who furnishes spam blocking for my local ISP, I > suspect that they are the culprits, but suspecting and knowing are two > different things. Even the support people at my local ISP have difficulty > with this. I furnished them a printout of the full header on a typical > message from the LUG to me, and they worked with support folks further up > the line. As of this morning, they had no feedback, but the problem > disappeared yesterday afternoon. > > Now I am trying to find out whether the correction resulted from my emails > to Carrierzone, or from the efforts of my ISP. They may never admit there > was a problem. > > All told, a pretty weak case for litigation. not sure is this may provide a solution to this issue, how about subscribing with a gmail address ? Does that change anything? Steve > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Pearce" <billcpearce at cox.net> > To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org> > Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 1:08 PM > Subject: Re: [Leica] LUG mail being blocked by bad ISPs,some people > auto-unsubscribed > > >> Boys, this is America! Litigation is always in order! >> >> Bill Pearce >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Bryan Willman >> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 12:43 PM >> To: Leica Users Group >> Subject: Re: [Leica] LUG mail being blocked by bad ISPs, some people >> auto-unsubscribed >> >> I wonder if such behavoir (by van Riel) constitutes defamation, and if >> litigation (or the threat thereof) might be of use. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: lug-bounces+bryanwi=bryanwi.com at leica-users.org >> [mailto:lug-bounces+bryanwi=bryanwi.com at leica-users.org] On Behalf Of >> Brian Reid >> Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 4:07 PM >> To: lug at leica-users.org >> Subject: [Leica] LUG mail being blocked by bad ISPs, some people >> auto-unsubscribed >> >> A bunch of LUG subscribers have been auto-unsubscribed because of a lazy >> ideologue in Merrimack New Hampshire named Rik van Riel. Rik believes >> that he >> has the only solution to the spam detection problem, and unfortunately a >> few >> ISPs believe him. Responsible ISPs use dozens upon dozens of factors to >> classify something as spam. Since van Riel doesn't charge for his >> spam-finding >> service, cheapo ISPs will sometimes use it and only it. When van Riel's >> spam >> detectors make a mistake (which he, of course, believes is not possible) >> then >> mail stops getting delivered to the customers of the ISPs that depend on >> his >> free service. >> >> If you are one of the people whose LUG subscription went away, you can >> think >> bad thoughts about Rik van Riel. Ideologues like him rarely change their >> position as a result of argument from other people, so there is no point >> trying to yell at him or reason with him. In a certain sense the real >> villains >> are the owners of the ISPs that are too cheap to buy real commercial >> spam-blocking service, which requires human participation and is >> therefore not >> free. >> >> The only viable long-term solution to false-positive spam nightmares is to >> find a responsible ISP. Cheapo ISPs are going to use cheapo spam-control >> companies, who invariably lock onto free services run by ideologues. >> >> If you are one of the victims, you of course aren't getting this email, >> but >> you might see it on the website or you might get a copy forwarded from a >> friend. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information