Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2011/12/07
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Hi Steve, Brian set me up sometime ago to post from either my usual address or my gmail address. Last evening, I was attempting to change my subscriber address to my gmail address, which also required me to re-enable my subscription, which was disabled because of the large number of bounces. When I submitted this change, which requires Brian's approval, LUG mail began to appear at my normal address. So, I am caught in the midst of a change, which the system won't allow me to reverse, and Brian is out of touch. However, everything is functioning. I know this doesn't answer your question about gmail. Outlook Express is much more flexible than gmail, so I prefer to stick with it if possible. Jim Nichols Tullahoma, TN USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Barbour" <steve.barbour at gmail.com> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 1:26 PM Subject: Re: [Leica] LUG mail being blocked by bad ISPs,some people auto-unsubscribed > > On Dec 7, 2011, at 11:19 AM, Jim Nichols wrote: > >> Hi Bill, >> >> It is very difficult for the user to determine where the blocking is >> being done. Since I know who furnishes spam blocking for my local ISP, I >> suspect that they are the culprits, but suspecting and knowing are two >> different things. Even the support people at my local ISP have >> difficulty with this. I furnished them a printout of the full header on a >> typical message from the LUG to me, and they worked with support folks >> further up the line. As of this morning, they had no feedback, but the >> problem disappeared yesterday afternoon. >> >> Now I am trying to find out whether the correction resulted from my >> emails to Carrierzone, or from the efforts of my ISP. They may never >> admit there was a problem. >> >> All told, a pretty weak case for litigation. > > > not sure is this may provide a solution to this issue, how about > subscribing with a gmail address ? Does that change anything? > > > Steve > > >> >> Jim Nichols >> Tullahoma, TN USA >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Pearce" <billcpearce at cox.net> >> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org> >> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 1:08 PM >> Subject: Re: [Leica] LUG mail being blocked by bad ISPs,some people >> auto-unsubscribed >> >> >>> Boys, this is America! Litigation is always in order! >>> >>> Bill Pearce >>> >>> -----Original Message----- From: Bryan Willman >>> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 12:43 PM >>> To: Leica Users Group >>> Subject: Re: [Leica] LUG mail being blocked by bad ISPs, some people >>> auto-unsubscribed >>> >>> I wonder if such behavoir (by van Riel) constitutes defamation, and if >>> litigation (or the threat thereof) might be of use. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: lug-bounces+bryanwi=bryanwi.com at leica-users.org >>> [mailto:lug-bounces+bryanwi=bryanwi.com at leica-users.org] On Behalf Of >>> Brian Reid >>> Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 4:07 PM >>> To: lug at leica-users.org >>> Subject: [Leica] LUG mail being blocked by bad ISPs, some people >>> auto-unsubscribed >>> >>> A bunch of LUG subscribers have been auto-unsubscribed because of a lazy >>> ideologue in Merrimack New Hampshire named Rik van Riel. Rik believes >>> that he >>> has the only solution to the spam detection problem, and unfortunately a >>> few >>> ISPs believe him. Responsible ISPs use dozens upon dozens of factors to >>> classify something as spam. Since van Riel doesn't charge for his >>> spam-finding >>> service, cheapo ISPs will sometimes use it and only it. When van Riel's >>> spam >>> detectors make a mistake (which he, of course, believes is not possible) >>> then >>> mail stops getting delivered to the customers of the ISPs that depend on >>> his >>> free service. >>> >>> If you are one of the people whose LUG subscription went away, you can >>> think >>> bad thoughts about Rik van Riel. Ideologues like him rarely change their >>> position as a result of argument from other people, so there is no point >>> trying to yell at him or reason with him. In a certain sense the real >>> villains >>> are the owners of the ISPs that are too cheap to buy real commercial >>> spam-blocking service, which requires human participation and is >>> therefore not >>> free. >>> >>> The only viable long-term solution to false-positive spam nightmares is >>> to >>> find a responsible ISP. Cheapo ISPs are going to use cheapo spam-control >>> companies, who invariably lock onto free services run by ideologues. >>> >>> If you are one of the victims, you of course aren't getting this email, >>> but >>> you might see it on the website or you might get a copy forwarded from a >>> friend. >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > >