[Leica] Leica M10

[rgacpa at gmail.com (Robert Adler)]

I've written this several times (about the M240) and I know there are some
Leica folks who monitor this list. I'm not too worried as my Kolarivision
modified Sony A7r II rectifies all these shortcomings. I still use my M's
for a normal exposure situations (daylight landscapes, grandkids (though
focusing in low light/low apertures becomes more difficult as they age and
move faster).  Feel free to forward to Leica if you wish Steve!


Bob Adler
www.robertadlerphotography.com
*"Capturing Light One Frame At A Time"*

On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 10:19 AM, Steve Barbour <stevebarbour at mac.com>
wrote:

> On Jan 25, 2017, at 10:06 AM, Robert Adler <rgacpa at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Back to the original topic... the M10...
> > There are some things that have not changed the will keep me from even
> > wanting the M10:
> > 1.  Exposures longer than 2s REQUIRE double the time to process a dark
> > frame for noise reduction... You can't disable it...
> > 2.  There is still that quirky shutter lag using the live view (with LCD
> > back or Visoflex EVF) (albeit shorter per Leica representations, but
> stated
> > as "slight" in the manual. With electronic first shutter curtain a
> > "standard" these days, the fact that this has not been implemented is
> > really disappointing.
> >     a. Use of live view causes double the shutter usage (shutter count
> > doubles)
> >     b. This causes the camera to expose at what I call the indecisive
> > moment... Shutter lag probably sets a new Guinness record of second
> place:
> > the the M240 has greater lag.
> > 3.   The amount of shutter time available in B mode is ISO dependent. If
> > like the M240, native ISO shutter open time is 120seconds. Double the
> > native ISO and the shutter open time is reduced by 1/2 (60s), and on down
> > until there is an 8second shutter open time in B mode.
> >
> > So these are key items that, though perhaps improved slightly with the
> M10
> > over the M240, that continue to limit the options available to
> > photographers.
> >
> > Waiting for the M11 I guess?
>
>
> please forward this to Leica.
>
>
> steve
>
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> > Bob
>
> >
> >
> > Bob Adler
> > www.robertadlerphotography.com
> > *"Capturing Light One Frame At A Time"*
> >
> > On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 5:15 AM, John McMaster <john at mcmaster.fr> 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> If you have no ticket then there is no chance of winning the lottery,
> >> buying a single ticket gives you a greater chance....
> >>
> >> john
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >>
> >> Forgive me, Aram, for I am no mathematician, but I cannot understand how
> >> your friend can justify "very slightly". If I buy a ticket, the odds
> are 1
> >> in 1 gazillion, which must (mathematically) be _infinitely_ better than
> >> zero in 1 gazillion.
> >>
> >> What I have misunderstood?
> >>
> >> Piers
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: LUG [mailto:lug-bounces+piers.hemy=gmail.com at leica-users.org] 
> >> On
> >> Behalf Of Aram
> >> Sent: 24 January 2017 16:02
> >> To: Leica Users Group
> >> Subject: Re: [Leica] Leica M10
> >>
> >> You know, Gerry, as a math teacher friend of mine says, your odds of
> >> winning the lottery increase very slightly if you actually buy a ticket.
> >>
> >>
> >> Aram
> >>
> >> Aram Langhans
> >> (Semi) Retired Science Teacher
> >> & Unemployed photographer
> >>
> >> "The Human Genome Project has proved Darwin more right than Darwin
> himself
> >> would ever have dared dream." James D. Watson
> >>
> >> On 1/20/2017 10:42 PM, Gerry Walden wrote:
> >>> My initial comment was a bit tongue in cheek, but it seems to have
> >> started
> >> something. In previous models since the M9 I have felt that they are
> >> reiterations of the basic concept of a digital full-frame Leica, but I
> feel
> >> this one has gone a step further for some reason.
> >>>
> >>> Let me make it clear there is no way that I will be buying one unless I
> >> win the lottery, which is pretty unlikely as I never buy a ticket.
> >>>
> >>> Gerry
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> On 21 Jan 2017, at 01:46, Frank Filippone <red735i at verizon.net>
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I appreciate your response.... I was ( am?) looking for a reason to
> like
> >> it for myself....
> >>>>
> >>>> Everyone is a unique person, with his/her own needs, and
> >> preferences.....
> >>>> And My M9 IS getting old.... and at some point will need to be
> >> replaced...
> >>>>
> >>>> Maybe, for me, putting out $6500 for a camera is not in the cards...
> >> unless the M9 dies....
> >>>> But I do like to keep abreast of what is out there, and why others
> >> choose.....   Your inputs I find invaluable research info from someone I
> >> respect.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thank you
> >>>>
> >>>> Frank Filippone
> >>>>
> >>>> Red735i at verizon.net
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Frank - I like the fact there is no video, a larger eyepiece and much
> >> better iso.
> >>>>
> >>>> Gerry
> >>>>>> What feature or features convinced you that THIS was the new camera
> >> for
> >> you?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Frank Filippone
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Red735i at verizon.net
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I have just watched a couple of short videos on YouTube about the
> new
> >> M10, and I want one. For the first time I have considered it is worth
> >> moving
> >> from my M9. Now all I have to do is sell my body and as my daughter put
> it
> >> once "as long as you sell it by weight you will be OK Dad". Children
> can be
> >> so rude!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Gerry
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>
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