Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2017/01/25
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]On Jan 25, 2017, at 10:28 AM, Robert Adler <rgacpa at gmail.com> wrote: > > I've written this several times (about the M240) and I know there are some > Leica folks who monitor this list. I'm not too worried as my Kolarivision > modified Sony A7r II rectifies all these shortcomings. I still use my M's > for a normal exposure situations (daylight landscapes, grandkids (though > focusing in low light/low apertures becomes more difficult as they age and > move faster). Feel free to forward to Leica if you wish Steve! thanks, but I won?t. s > > > Bob Adler > www.robertadlerphotography.com > *"Capturing Light One Frame At A Time"* > > On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 10:19 AM, Steve Barbour <stevebarbour at mac.com> > wrote: > >> On Jan 25, 2017, at 10:06 AM, Robert Adler <rgacpa at gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Back to the original topic... the M10... >>> There are some things that have not changed the will keep me from even >>> wanting the M10: >>> 1. Exposures longer than 2s REQUIRE double the time to process a dark >>> frame for noise reduction... You can't disable it... >>> 2. There is still that quirky shutter lag using the live view (with LCD >>> back or Visoflex EVF) (albeit shorter per Leica representations, but >> stated >>> as "slight" in the manual. With electronic first shutter curtain a >>> "standard" these days, the fact that this has not been implemented is >>> really disappointing. >>> a. Use of live view causes double the shutter usage (shutter count >>> doubles) >>> b. This causes the camera to expose at what I call the indecisive >>> moment... Shutter lag probably sets a new Guinness record of second >> place: >>> the the M240 has greater lag. >>> 3. The amount of shutter time available in B mode is ISO dependent. If >>> like the M240, native ISO shutter open time is 120seconds. Double the >>> native ISO and the shutter open time is reduced by 1/2 (60s), and on down >>> until there is an 8second shutter open time in B mode. >>> >>> So these are key items that, though perhaps improved slightly with the >> M10 >>> over the M240, that continue to limit the options available to >>> photographers. >>> >>> Waiting for the M11 I guess? >> >> >> please forward this to Leica. >> >> >> steve >> >> >> >> >> >>> Bob >> >>> >>> >>> Bob Adler >>> www.robertadlerphotography.com >>> *"Capturing Light One Frame At A Time"* >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 5:15 AM, John McMaster <john at mcmaster.fr> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> If you have no ticket then there is no chance of winning the lottery, >>>> buying a single ticket gives you a greater chance.... >>>> >>>> john >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> >>>> Forgive me, Aram, for I am no mathematician, but I cannot understand how >>>> your friend can justify "very slightly". If I buy a ticket, the odds >> are 1 >>>> in 1 gazillion, which must (mathematically) be _infinitely_ better than >>>> zero in 1 gazillion. >>>> >>>> What I have misunderstood? >>>> >>>> Piers >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: LUG [mailto:lug-bounces+piers.hemy=gmail.com at leica-users.org] >>>> On >>>> Behalf Of Aram >>>> Sent: 24 January 2017 16:02 >>>> To: Leica Users Group >>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Leica M10 >>>> >>>> You know, Gerry, as a math teacher friend of mine says, your odds of >>>> winning the lottery increase very slightly if you actually buy a ticket. >>>> >>>> >>>> Aram >>>> >>>> Aram Langhans >>>> (Semi) Retired Science Teacher >>>> & Unemployed photographer >>>> >>>> "The Human Genome Project has proved Darwin more right than Darwin >> himself >>>> would ever have dared dream." James D. Watson >>>> >>>> On 1/20/2017 10:42 PM, Gerry Walden wrote: >>>>> My initial comment was a bit tongue in cheek, but it seems to have >>>> started >>>> something. In previous models since the M9 I have felt that they are >>>> reiterations of the basic concept of a digital full-frame Leica, but I >> feel >>>> this one has gone a step further for some reason. >>>>> >>>>> Let me make it clear there is no way that I will be buying one unless I >>>> win the lottery, which is pretty unlikely as I never buy a ticket. >>>>> >>>>> Gerry >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On 21 Jan 2017, at 01:46, Frank Filippone <red735i at verizon.net> >> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I appreciate your response.... I was ( am?) looking for a reason to >> like >>>> it for myself.... >>>>>> >>>>>> Everyone is a unique person, with his/her own needs, and >>>> preferences..... >>>>>> And My M9 IS getting old.... and at some point will need to be >>>> replaced... >>>>>> >>>>>> Maybe, for me, putting out $6500 for a camera is not in the cards... >>>> unless the M9 dies.... >>>>>> But I do like to keep abreast of what is out there, and why others >>>> choose..... Your inputs I find invaluable research info from someone I >>>> respect. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank you >>>>>> >>>>>> Frank Filippone >>>>>> >>>>>> Red735i at verizon.net >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Frank - I like the fact there is no video, a larger eyepiece and much >>>> better iso. >>>>>> >>>>>> Gerry >>>>>>>> What feature or features convinced you that THIS was the new camera >>>> for >>>> you? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Frank Filippone >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Red735i at verizon.net >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have just watched a couple of short videos on YouTube about the >> new >>>> M10, and I want one. For the first time I have considered it is worth >>>> moving >>>> from my M9. Now all I have to do is sell my body and as my daughter put >> it >>>> once "as long as you sell it by weight you will be OK Dad". Children >> can be >>>> so rude! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Gerry >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information