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Subject: [Leica] My last aftermarket battery just died
From: richard at richardmanphoto.com (Richard Man)
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 12:33:56 -0700
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Come on Henning, Leica must make a lot more money on a Himalayan rat skin
covered 50 year anniversary MP Classic than hundreds of batteries :-)


On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 11:26 AM, Henning Wulff <henningw at 
archiphoto.com>wrote:

> Please, whoever feels this way keep buying Leica batteries. Leica needs
> the money.
>
>
> On 2013-03-15, at 1:42 AM, Cedric Agie <cedric.agie at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I would be interested by one or more pictures made from the dead
> > batteries you opened.
> > When opening the dead body, maybe you simply did not see a tiny device
> > i.e.a few mm or even less with two or more hairthin wires that can
> > also act as a fuse.
> > Since there is a 3rd contact in the battery and also inside the
> > charger, I have good reasons to think there is a form of protection
> > that could go unnoticed, certainly if the inside is inbedded in solid
> > plastic or even silicone.
> >
> > One PC and Laptoplaptop maker I know, a huge company known worldwide,
> > simply protects their Laptops with an elaborate printed circuit inside
> > the batterie wich also contains a special code. This code makes the
> > use of third party batteries simply impossible. Even some brands of
> > inkjet cartridges have a small microprocessor that controls and
> > regulates the level of the ink. If you refill them half way, you can
> > continue to work with it. If it reaches the end it warns you and you
> > cannot refill them anymore, unless you reprogram them with a connector
> > from the outside. Most known game, printer and cellphone makers use
> > the same tricks. I will give no names, see the media or make a walk
> > around the Interet. The inkjet trick was discovered and solved by a
> > Russion a few years ago. He gave all details of his reprogramming
> > systhem on the Internet and believe me it works.
> >
> > Its not only technology, it's also a commercial war.
> > They have good reasons to protect the customer indeed, but they also
> > protect their market.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Cedric
> >
> >
> >
> > 2013/3/15 John Nebel <john.nebel at csdco.com>:
> >> Boeing wishes it had better batteries!
> >>
> >>
> >> On 3/14/13 8:25 PM, Richard Man wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I am speaking from real knowledge here: modern batteries do have
> >>> protection, embedded processors etc. It's true that some no-name brands
> >>> come from the same factories. It's also true that unscrupulous
> >>> manufacturers would wholesale copy expensive batteries, think xerox
> copy
> >>> but in the manufacturing sense and sell them much cheaper. They may
> work
> >>> as
> >>> well, or they may not, depending on how good the copy is.
> >>>
> >>> I usually do not need more than 2 batteries, no matter how hard I
> shoot.
> >>> So
> >>> I have 3, since I consistently misplace one of them.
> >>>
> >>> Since my camera is multi-thousands, the battery cost is the least of
> it,
> >>> so
> >>> I buy Leica's batteries. One less thing to worry about. None of them
> has
> >>> died.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 4:57 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at 
> >>> rabinergroup.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I know its wrong but think of the battery as part of the "motor" of
> the
> >>>> camera. I know its wrong but I wonder if its wall wrong. There may be
> a
> >>>> tiny
> >>>> thread of insane non sensible truth to it.
> >>>>
> >>>> Its always what you don't think.
> >>>>
> >>>> That's my motto.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On 3/14/13 7:09 PM, "Geoff Hopkinson" <hopsternew at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> This is one of those long standing discussions. Some folks report
> good
> >>>>> experience with the much cheaper alternates and others not.
> >>>>> In this case Frank bought twelve and they have all died within two
> >>>>> years.
> >>>>> Some are prepared to pay much more for the Leica branded ones
>  because
> >>>>> their assessment is that they should be more reliable and the extra
> is
> >>>>> acceptable for a 6 or $7000.camera and their photography That doesn't
> >>>>
> >>>> make
> >>>>>
> >>>>> them suckers.
> >>>>> Everyone will do their own sums on cost/performance. Why not.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> One of my originals (I have 3 in total) is about five years old, one
> >>>>
> >>>> about
> >>>>>
> >>>>> four and one three (new with my M9). All continue to work fine.
> Actually
> >>>>> Leica Camera suggests that 3 years is a reasonable life before
> >>>>
> >>>> replacement
> >>>>>
> >>>>> is recommended.
> >>>>> Lower output from old or non-genuine items was the factor that Leica
> >>>>
> >>>> Camera
> >>>>>
> >>>>> identified as contributing to card problems(write fails) with the M9,
> >>>>
> >>>> which
> >>>>>
> >>>>> is why the latest M9 firmware was introduced.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> *If you want to take more interesting pictures,
> >>>>> stand in front of more interesting stuff* -- Joe McNally
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Cheers
> >>>>> Geoff
> >>>>> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 15 March 2013 07:39, Nathan Wajsman <photo at frozenlight.eu> 
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Except that more often than not, the aftermarket batteries are made
> at
> >>>>>> exactly the same factory as the original ones. As someone said, a
> >>>>
> >>>> sucker is
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> born every day.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Nathan Wajsman
> >>>>>> Alicante, Spain
> >>>>>> http://www.frozenlight.eu
> >>>>>> http://www.greatpix.eu
> >>>>>> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws
> >>>>>> Blog: http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> YNWA
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Mar 14, 2013, at 10:23 PM, Mark Rabiner wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Fro my Leica digital I used a Leica battery.
> >>>>>>> Fro my Nikon D whatever I used Nikon batteries.
> >>>>>>> I can tell you when the time ever comes for me to buy a seven
> thousand
> >>>>>>> dollar camera the last thing I'm going to do is go shopping for
> cheap
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> third
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> party batteries. I'll blow a few more hundred and get a couple more
> >>>>>>> batteries with a red dot on it.
> >>>>>>> This thread has come on this list several times and every seeing
> time
> >>>>
> >>>> the
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> only person who seemed to hold this opinion was me.
> >>>>>>> Now I am feeling vindicated up the yin yang for the tables to have
> >>>>>>> been
> >>>>>>> turned.
> >>>>>>> The only way I've not won out is the fact that using the cheap
> >>>>
> >>>> batteries
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> do
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> not seemed to have ruined any cameras. I'd have thought there was a
> >>>>
> >>>> good
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> chance that might happen.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I read a book on batteries in photography once it was by the Aaton
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> company
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> head engineer or guy own owned the company or both..
> >>>>>>> A French company who made motion picture cameras and batteries.
> >>>>>>> Gave me a healthy respect for them. But since then the landscape
> has
> >>>>>>> changed. Its strewn with dead cheap batteries for one. ...Seeping
> >>>>>>> toxic
> >>>>>>> waste into the top soil or water underneath.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I like expensive batteries. Silver ones. Light. Lith?
> >>>>>>> I say "give me the most expensive battery you got" then charge me
> >>>>
> >>>> double!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>> Mark William Rabiner
> >>>>>>> Photography
> >>>>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
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> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Mark William Rabiner
> >>>> Photography
> >>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
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> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
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>
> Henning Wulff
> henningw at archiphoto.com
>
>
>
>
>
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-- 
// richard <http://www.richardmanphoto.com>


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