Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2013/03/15
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Please, whoever feels this way keep buying Leica batteries. Leica needs the money. On 2013-03-15, at 1:42 AM, Cedric Agie <cedric.agie at gmail.com> wrote: > I would be interested by one or more pictures made from the dead > batteries you opened. > When opening the dead body, maybe you simply did not see a tiny device > i.e.a few mm or even less with two or more hairthin wires that can > also act as a fuse. > Since there is a 3rd contact in the battery and also inside the > charger, I have good reasons to think there is a form of protection > that could go unnoticed, certainly if the inside is inbedded in solid > plastic or even silicone. > > One PC and Laptoplaptop maker I know, a huge company known worldwide, > simply protects their Laptops with an elaborate printed circuit inside > the batterie wich also contains a special code. This code makes the > use of third party batteries simply impossible. Even some brands of > inkjet cartridges have a small microprocessor that controls and > regulates the level of the ink. If you refill them half way, you can > continue to work with it. If it reaches the end it warns you and you > cannot refill them anymore, unless you reprogram them with a connector > from the outside. Most known game, printer and cellphone makers use > the same tricks. I will give no names, see the media or make a walk > around the Interet. The inkjet trick was discovered and solved by a > Russion a few years ago. He gave all details of his reprogramming > systhem on the Internet and believe me it works. > > Its not only technology, it's also a commercial war. > They have good reasons to protect the customer indeed, but they also > protect their market. > > Regards > > Cedric > > > > 2013/3/15 John Nebel <john.nebel at csdco.com>: >> Boeing wishes it had better batteries! >> >> >> On 3/14/13 8:25 PM, Richard Man wrote: >>> >>> I am speaking from real knowledge here: modern batteries do have >>> protection, embedded processors etc. It's true that some no-name brands >>> come from the same factories. It's also true that unscrupulous >>> manufacturers would wholesale copy expensive batteries, think xerox copy >>> but in the manufacturing sense and sell them much cheaper. They may work >>> as >>> well, or they may not, depending on how good the copy is. >>> >>> I usually do not need more than 2 batteries, no matter how hard I shoot. >>> So >>> I have 3, since I consistently misplace one of them. >>> >>> Since my camera is multi-thousands, the battery cost is the least of it, >>> so >>> I buy Leica's batteries. One less thing to worry about. None of them has >>> died. >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 4:57 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I know its wrong but think of the battery as part of the "motor" of the >>>> camera. I know its wrong but I wonder if its wall wrong. There may be a >>>> tiny >>>> thread of insane non sensible truth to it. >>>> >>>> Its always what you don't think. >>>> >>>> That's my motto. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 3/14/13 7:09 PM, "Geoff Hopkinson" <hopsternew at gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> This is one of those long standing discussions. Some folks report good >>>>> experience with the much cheaper alternates and others not. >>>>> In this case Frank bought twelve and they have all died within two >>>>> years. >>>>> Some are prepared to pay much more for the Leica branded ones because >>>>> their assessment is that they should be more reliable and the extra is >>>>> acceptable for a 6 or $7000.camera and their photography That doesn't >>>> >>>> make >>>>> >>>>> them suckers. >>>>> Everyone will do their own sums on cost/performance. Why not. >>>>> >>>>> One of my originals (I have 3 in total) is about five years old, one >>>> >>>> about >>>>> >>>>> four and one three (new with my M9). All continue to work fine. >>>>> Actually >>>>> Leica Camera suggests that 3 years is a reasonable life before >>>> >>>> replacement >>>>> >>>>> is recommended. >>>>> Lower output from old or non-genuine items was the factor that Leica >>>> >>>> Camera >>>>> >>>>> identified as contributing to card problems(write fails) with the M9, >>>> >>>> which >>>>> >>>>> is why the latest M9 firmware was introduced. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *If you want to take more interesting pictures, >>>>> stand in front of more interesting stuff* -- Joe McNally >>>>> >>>>> Cheers >>>>> Geoff >>>>> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 15 March 2013 07:39, Nathan Wajsman <photo at frozenlight.eu> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Except that more often than not, the aftermarket batteries are made at >>>>>> exactly the same factory as the original ones. As someone said, a >>>> >>>> sucker is >>>>>> >>>>>> born every day. >>>>>> >>>>>> Nathan Wajsman >>>>>> Alicante, Spain >>>>>> http://www.frozenlight.eu >>>>>> http://www.greatpix.eu >>>>>> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws >>>>>> Blog: http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/ >>>>>> >>>>>> YNWA >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mar 14, 2013, at 10:23 PM, Mark Rabiner wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Fro my Leica digital I used a Leica battery. >>>>>>> Fro my Nikon D whatever I used Nikon batteries. >>>>>>> I can tell you when the time ever comes for me to buy a seven >>>>>>> thousand >>>>>>> dollar camera the last thing I'm going to do is go shopping for cheap >>>>>> >>>>>> third >>>>>>> >>>>>>> party batteries. I'll blow a few more hundred and get a couple more >>>>>>> batteries with a red dot on it. >>>>>>> This thread has come on this list several times and every seeing time >>>> >>>> the >>>>>>> >>>>>>> only person who seemed to hold this opinion was me. >>>>>>> Now I am feeling vindicated up the yin yang for the tables to have >>>>>>> been >>>>>>> turned. >>>>>>> The only way I've not won out is the fact that using the cheap >>>> >>>> batteries >>>>>> >>>>>> do >>>>>>> >>>>>>> not seemed to have ruined any cameras. I'd have thought there was a >>>> >>>> good >>>>>>> >>>>>>> chance that might happen. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I read a book on batteries in photography once it was by the Aaton >>>>>> >>>>>> company >>>>>>> >>>>>>> head engineer or guy own owned the company or both.. >>>>>>> A French company who made motion picture cameras and batteries. >>>>>>> Gave me a healthy respect for them. But since then the landscape has >>>>>>> changed. Its strewn with dead cheap batteries for one. ...Seeping >>>>>>> toxic >>>>>>> waste into the top soil or water underneath. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I like expensive batteries. Silver ones. Light. Lith? >>>>>>> I say "give me the most expensive battery you got" then charge me >>>> >>>> double! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Mark William Rabiner >>>>>>> Photography >>>>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Mark William Rabiner >>>> Photography >>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > Henning Wulff henningw at archiphoto.com