Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2012/11/06
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]I think the Leica M which is just not quite coming out but soon the one without the number after is is probably going to be hands down the most awesome image making Leica M, R or LTM in the history of Leica. Its for me all about figuring out how to think outside of the financial box and get one. I got the glass I just need the body. I need an out of body experience. ... To get one. I sure not sweating the shutter lag. Mark William Rabiner Photography http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ > From: Gene duprey <grduprey at mchsi.com> > Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> > Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 00:40:09 -0600 (CST) > To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> > Subject: Re: [Leica] Marty, shutter lag in digital M > > I have a M6TTL, and cannot discern any difference in shutter lag nor in > image > quality with film vs digital When you are talking ms of time, you cannot > tell > the difference, you need a oscilloscope to even see the difference. > > My advice, if you are interested in buying the new M when it hits the > stores, > then do so you will be happy no matter what the so called shutter lag is, > and > you will not miss a shot what so ever due to it. I have shot milk drops > and > stopped them with strobe setup and gotten great results with my M8, so > shutter > lag is a non issue period. > > Cheers, > Gene > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jon Streeter" <jon.streeter at cox.net> > To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org> > Sent: Tuesday, November 6, 2012 11:12:37 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central > Subject: Re: [Leica] Marty, shutter lag in digital M > > I will resist the temptation to offer shooting advice to other > photographers > whom I don't know and with whose work I am not familiar. > > I thank Marty for providing really sound, articulate, and useful > information. I certainly appreciate Tina Manley's opinion that she has > not > found the digital Ms to be problematic. I've been a fan of Tina's work for > years. > > On the other hand, some have advised me on how to anticipate action. > Others > have told me shutter lag doesn't really exist. Still others have said it's > a waste of time to discuss shutter lag because it's not important. Imagine > being a traveler asking directions and being given instruction on finding > one's way, but not being given the directions you seek. Imagine being told > the place you seek doesn't exist, though you're certain it does. Imagine > being told you're foolish to go there. Well, I've "been there." I bought > my first camera, a Rolleiflex, when I was fifteen. When I was seventeen, I > bought a Leica M3. At the time, I had only the vaguest idea of how > terrific > these cameras were. I was, however, very serious about making photographs. > If you see the photographs I was taking (jonstreeter.com) when I was a > teenager, I hope you will conclude that I had some understanding of the > craft early on. I was certainly seduced by it. > > I posed my original question here, on the LEICA Users Group, in the hope > that I'd find someone with on-point experience to share. My question is -- > at the risk of repeating myself -- has anyone returned to a Leica film > camera after using DSLRs or digital Ms, shot portraits with it, and thought > the results were somehow better, that you got more hits than with DSLRs or > digital Ms, and then wondering if it's because the reason you're getting > such great facial expressions and gestures and movements might just be > because the Leica M has a shorter shutter lag than the DSLRs? It's pretty > much a yes-or-no question, with embellishments and invitations to delve > further into the subject most welcome. For example, one might say, Yes, > I've noticed that myself, but only between DSLRs and Leicas, and, > therefore, > I have concluded it's not shutter lag but something else, perhaps the way > one perceives things through a rangefinder's viewfinder. Or one might > say, > Yes, in my portrait sessions with the M9, I do get fewer hits than with my > MP. Or one might say, No, I've actually checked this out because I > wondered > the same thing, and I can discern no difference in the results between my > M9 > and my M7. Anybody? Of course, this might work only if one has had > portrait sittings or sessions with the same model done with different > cameras since in that case the main variable would be the camera, not > what's > in front of it. I know some of you have not noticed a problem with > shutter > lag, but since our styles and subject matter and methods may very likely > differ, I have no way to relate another photographer's lack of notice of a > problem with shutter lag to my own situation. > > I would not have written such a lengthy post, but I wanted to make sure my > question was specific and clear. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Meier > Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 1:59 PM > To: Leica Users Group > Subject: Re: [Leica] Marty, shutter lag in digital M > > SLR's that have to autofocus before the shutter goes are not faster than an > M Leica. > > > On Nov 6, 2012, at 2:43 PM, <tedgrant at shaw.ca> wrote: > >> Marty Deveney OFFERED: >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Marty Deveney" <benedenia at gmail.com> >> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org> >> Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 7:44 PM >> Subject: Re: [Leica] Marty, shutter lag in digital M >> >>>> Now that the digital M >>>> cameras have long shutter-lag times even when compared to DSLRs, >>>> suddenly >>>> we're hearing that shutter lag doesn't matter, that nobody notices it. >>>> Really? Nobody? For capturing fleeting expressions in a portrait >>>> session, nobody has noticed it?<<<<<<<<<<< >> >> Marty Mon ami, >> Absolute truth at this moment of reading your posts on Leica lag! And me >> writing this. >> >> The "lag as you describe" in my 50 plus years of using Leica range >> finders/SLR's quite often several at the same time hanging off my body has >> never ever entered one iota of a mille-second of my thoughts, concerns, >> nor >> that it was even happening." To prove my point good Sir, please look at >> my >> webpage TEDGRANTPHOTO.COM and look at a few mille-second photos of >> "ACTIONS!" That if you even thought about shooting the moment.... "YOU >> WOULD >> MISS IT!" >> >> You see I always figure, as with many other techie things I read on the >> LUG. >> If you don't know anything about it? .......... YOU DON'T HAVE THEM >> HAPPEN! WHY? >> >> Well yer far too busy shooting the action without wasting time slowing >> down >> your own reflexes thinking about them, so this stuff just doesn't happen! >> :-) >> >> Well OK I know I'm being a tad facetious. But, "What you don't know wont >> hurt you!" >> >> "SHOOT IT WITHOUT THINKING!" >> >> The content of the moment is the most important always! And if you are >> twittering your brain about some "lag thing?" YOU WILL MISS THE CONTENT >> MOMENT! May have something to do with my concept!" "DON'T THINK! SHOOT >> IT!" >> >> cheers, >> Dr. ted >> >> >>> >>> The M8, M9 and Monochrom lag time is about 1/13s. To me it's the most >>> substantial problem with all these cameras. It's been discussed here >>> widely before: >>> http://leica-users.org/v43/msg02993.html >>> http://leica-users.org/v44/msg03170.html >>> >>> Leica has stated that the new M (typ 240) has new architecture that >>> makes the camera faster and the shutter feel smoother. The dummy >>> cameras that have been doing the rounds at the trade fairs seem to >>> display at least the latter, while no-one has measured the former. >>> >>> Marty >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information