Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2012/06/26

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Subject: [Leica] Using the Fuji X Pro-1
From: jsmith342 at gmail.com (Jeffery Smith)
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 20:07:13 -0500
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That works for me. Thanks, BD.

Jeffery

Sent from my iPad

Jeffery L. Smith
New Orleans, Louisiana
USA

On Jun 26, 2012, at 19:59, "B. D. Colen" <bd at bdcolenphoto.com> wrote:

> Just go to the menu and make the adjustments. I'd set them all at 0, 
> rather than go into the negatives. But that's me.
> Typed with big fingers on tiny keys
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeffery Smith <jsmith342 at gmail.com>
> Sender: lug-bounces+bd=bdcolenphoto.com at leica-users.org
> Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 19:52:50 
> To: Leica Users Group<lug at leica-users.org>
> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> Subject: Re: [Leica] Using the Fuji X Pro-1
> 
> How much can be disabled in jpeg mode? I would not want autoWB, auto 
> sharpen, or auto saturation. Is there a jpeg mode that can disable these 
> sorts of correction features?
> 
> I should probably download the pdf manual and answer these myself.
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> Jeffery L. Smith
> New Orleans, Louisiana
> USA
> 
> On Jun 26, 2012, at 19:45, Richard Taylor <r.s.taylor at comcast.net> 
> wrote:
> 
>> B.D., John, Howard - I do see the color smearing in the Adobe-processed 
>> files, but only clearly visible at 200%.  No checkerboard anywhere, 
>> though, even at 300%. 
>> 
>> I do not see color smearing or checkerboard in Silky Pix RAW converted 
>> files.  
>> 
>> Point taken in any case.  Guess I'll shoot JPGs for a while myself.
>> 
>> Thanks. 
>> 
>> Regards, 
>> 
>> Dick
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jun 26, 2012, at 6:37 PM, B. D. Colen wrote:
>> 
>>> IF they are true RAW files, then the camera isn't doing anything to them 
>>> - they are simply the data captured by the sensor - no sharpening, no in 
>>> camera "correction." When they are converted to DNG, they are being 
>>> converted to a theoretically lossless compressed format, but, again, are 
>>> unaltered. Then the fun begins. Apparently the Adobe conversion is doing 
>>> something wrong, because the files end up with a weird pattern - a sort 
>>> of checkerboard pattern, with little crosses in the checkerboard 
>>> squares, and dots, that I can see very faintly at 66 percent, and 
>>> painfully clearly at 100 percent.
>>> Typed with big fingers on tiny keys
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Richard Taylor <r.s.taylor at comcast.net>
>>> Sender: lug-bounces+bd=bdcolenphoto.com at leica-users.org
>>> Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 18:24:29 
>>> To: Leica Users Group<lug at leica-users.org>
>>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Using the Fuji X Pro-1
>>> 
>>> Ed - I don't if the X Pro-1 sharpens RAW files in the camera or not.  
>>> The out-of-camera RAW files are 16 bits.   They're identified as .RAF 
>>> files.  Silky Pix RAW saves 8 bit TIFs and JPGs from these files.  The 
>>> DNG files are 16 bits.    
>>> 
>>> Regards, 
>>> 
>>> Dick
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jun 26, 2012, at 5:28 PM, Edward Kowaleski wrote:
>>> 
>>>> It suggests that the Fuji conversion is doing some sharpening in the
>>>> processing.  Is the processing going on in the camera or in the computer
>>>> after you take the chip out of the camera?  Does the Fuji image produce 
>>>> a 16
>>>> Bit Fuji proprietary image (or a TIF) or a PSD file?  I'd be curious.
>>>> 
>>>> Ed
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: lug-bounces+ekowaleski=twmi.rr.com at leica-users.org
>>>> [mailto:lug-bounces+ekowaleski=twmi.rr.com at leica-users.org] On 
>>>> Behalf Of
>>>> Richard Taylor
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 11:36 AM
>>>> To: Leica Users Group
>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Using the Fuji X Pro-1
>>>> 
>>>> Ed - I can't make a comparison to the Nikon RAW processor since I've 
>>>> never
>>>> used it.   The Fuji RAW processor--at least on the few images I've 
>>>> tried it
>>>> with--seems to produce slightly sharper images but they have noticeable
>>>> splotchy color noise that I do not see using the Adobe RAW converter.  
>>>> The
>>>> splotchy noise isn't at all bad, but it is noticeable and I'd rather 
>>>> not see
>>>> it at all.  
>>>> 
>>>> I convert all my RAW files to DNG on import just as you do. 
>>>> 
>>>> The camera will be with me when I go to Maine and by then we should know
>>>> whether or not it's going to be a useful platform for my neglected Leica
>>>> lenses.     
>>>> 
>>>> Regards, 
>>>> 
>>>> Dick
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Jun 26, 2012, at 11:56 AM, Edward Kowaleski wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks for the update.  I'm looking forward to handling it when I see 
>>>>> you in Bar Harbor.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Do you have an opinion of the quality of images generated from DNG 
>>>>> files that have been converted from proprietary Fuji or Nikon RAW 
>>>>> files?  I know you find the conversion a little (or lots) longer but 
>>>>> is there any qualitative difference?
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have been converting all my Panasonic or Nikon RAW images to DNG as 
>>>>> soon as I take the chip out of the camera.  It makes subsequent 
>>>>> processing and storage simpler (to me) and keeps all my RAW files on 
>>>>> one platform  which I feel confident that Adobe will maintain similar 
>>>>> to
>>>> their Acrobat PDF files.
>>>>> I'd appreciate your thoughts on this.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ed
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: lug-bounces+ekowaleski=twmi.rr.com at leica-users.org
>>>>> [mailto:lug-bounces+ekowaleski=twmi.rr.com at leica-users.org] On 
>>>>> Behalf 
>>>>> Of Richard Taylor
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 8:29 AM
>>>>> To: Leica Users Group
>>>>> Subject: [Leica] Using the Fuji X Pro-1
>>>>> 
>>>>> I've had my X Pro-1 for two weeks now and in thought you might be 
>>>>> interested in my impressions of the camera.  There are many images on 
>>>>> line testifying to its excellent image quality at low and high ISO so 
>>>>> I'm not going to add more--at least for now.  What they show is all 
>>>>> true, though, in my experience.
>>>>> 
>>>>> If you've been following the discussions about the camera, not all of 
>>>>> this
>>>>> will be new to you.     
>>>>> 
>>>>> In a nutshell, it is the most M-like digital camera I've yet run 
>>>>> across.
>>>>> The aperture dial is on the lens where it belongs, ditto for the 
>>>>> shutter speed dial and exposure correction dials on the body, and you 
>>>>> can set the Fn button to bring up ISO settings, so everything you're 
>>>>> likely to need in routine shooting is right out in the open.  The body 
>>>>> is just a bit smaller than the M9 and weighs about half as much.
>>>>> 
>>>>> With the Fujinon lenses, focus is just like the Leica, except it's 
>>>>> automatic.  Aim the focus rectangle in the OVF at the point you want 
>>>>> in focus, half press the shutter, watch the frame lines jump into 
>>>>> place, reframe if necessary and shoot.  Perfect!  When you're close in 
>>>>> you've got to use the lower right focus rectangle to correct for 
>>>>> parallax, but otherwise the procedure is the same.  Focus speed is 
>>>>> more than fast enough, but nowhere near as fast as my Panasonic GX-1.
>>>>> 
>>>>> If you place the focus rectangle correctly, the focus will be spot-on. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> OTH, the camera, despite the inclusion of a "Multi-Spot" mode, really 
>>>>> doesn't have one as far as I've can tell.  If you put it in 
>>>>> Multi-Spot, it will choose the single most contrasty spot in the frame 
>>>>> to focus on, whether it's your subject's eye or a lightbulb in the far 
>>>>> corner of the frame.  I don't see why this method would work under any 
>>>>> circumstances, but maybe one of you can enlighten me.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The only way you can shoot from the hip is to lock focus on an 
>>>>> appropriate middle distance and stop way down, again just as you would 
>>>>> do
>>>> with an M.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I can see the frames lines and data in the OVF with my regular glasses 
>>>>> on.
>>>>> If I'm wearing polarizing sunglasses and holding the camera 
>>>>> horizontally,
>>>>> though, I can't either in the OVF or anything at all in the EVF.   With
>>>> the
>>>>> LCD on the camera back it's the other way around.  It's readable with 
>>>>> the camera horizontal, but not vertical.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Opinions can differ on this of course, but for my purposes LR 4 does a 
>>>>> better job of processing the RAW files than the Fuji RAW converter 
>>>>> does.
>>>>> There is less blotchy chroma noise and sharpness is almost as good.  
>>>>> OTH, converting the RAW files to DNG and importing them into LR seems 
>>>>> to take forever, maybe 3-4 times as long as it takes to import files 
>>>>> from
>>>> my D300.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The only thing about the camera that drives me nuts is the power 
>>>>> switch.
>>>>> Whoever designed it needs to go in for some remedial work on detent
>>>> design.
>>>>> Even the slightest brush of the hand or the side of a camera bags turns
>>>> the
>>>>> camera on.   Bad, bad, bad. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Dick
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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Message from r.s.taylor at comcast.net (Richard Taylor) ([Leica] Using the Fuji X Pro-1)
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Message from r.s.taylor at comcast.net (Richard Taylor) ([Leica] Using the Fuji X Pro-1)
Message from bd at bdcolenphoto.com (B. D. Colen) ([Leica] Using the Fuji X Pro-1)
Message from r.s.taylor at comcast.net (Richard Taylor) ([Leica] Using the Fuji X Pro-1)
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