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Subject: [Leica] Using the Fuji X Pro-1
From: bd at bdcolenphoto.com (B. D. Colen)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 00:59:39 +0000
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Just go to the menu and make the adjustments. I'd set them all at 0, rather 
than go into the negatives. But that's me.
Typed with big fingers on tiny keys

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeffery Smith <jsmith342 at gmail.com>
Sender: lug-bounces+bd=bdcolenphoto.com at leica-users.org
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 19:52:50 
To: Leica Users Group<lug at leica-users.org>
Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
Subject: Re: [Leica] Using the Fuji X Pro-1

How much can be disabled in jpeg mode? I would not want autoWB, auto 
sharpen, or auto saturation. Is there a jpeg mode that can disable these 
sorts of correction features?

I should probably download the pdf manual and answer these myself.

Sent from my iPad

Jeffery L. Smith
New Orleans, Louisiana
USA

On Jun 26, 2012, at 19:45, Richard Taylor <r.s.taylor at comcast.net> wrote:

> B.D., John, Howard - I do see the color smearing in the Adobe-processed 
> files, but only clearly visible at 200%.  No checkerboard anywhere, 
> though, even at 300%. 
> 
> I do not see color smearing or checkerboard in Silky Pix RAW converted 
> files.  
> 
> Point taken in any case.  Guess I'll shoot JPGs for a while myself.
> 
> Thanks. 
> 
> Regards, 
> 
> Dick
> 
> 
> 
> On Jun 26, 2012, at 6:37 PM, B. D. Colen wrote:
> 
>> IF they are true RAW files, then the camera isn't doing anything to them 
>> - they are simply the data captured by the sensor - no sharpening, no in 
>> camera "correction." When they are converted to DNG, they are being 
>> converted to a theoretically lossless compressed format, but, again, are 
>> unaltered. Then the fun begins. Apparently the Adobe conversion is doing 
>> something wrong, because the files end up with a weird pattern - a sort 
>> of checkerboard pattern, with little crosses in the checkerboard squares, 
>> and dots, that I can see very faintly at 66 percent, and painfully 
>> clearly at 100 percent.
>> Typed with big fingers on tiny keys
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Richard Taylor <r.s.taylor at comcast.net>
>> Sender: lug-bounces+bd=bdcolenphoto.com at leica-users.org
>> Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 18:24:29 
>> To: Leica Users Group<lug at leica-users.org>
>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Using the Fuji X Pro-1
>> 
>> Ed - I don't if the X Pro-1 sharpens RAW files in the camera or not.  The 
>> out-of-camera RAW files are 16 bits.   They're identified as .RAF files.  
>> Silky Pix RAW saves 8 bit TIFs and JPGs from these files.  The DNG files 
>> are 16 bits.    
>> 
>> Regards, 
>> 
>> Dick
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jun 26, 2012, at 5:28 PM, Edward Kowaleski wrote:
>> 
>>> It suggests that the Fuji conversion is doing some sharpening in the
>>> processing.  Is the processing going on in the camera or in the computer
>>> after you take the chip out of the camera?  Does the Fuji image produce 
>>> a 16
>>> Bit Fuji proprietary image (or a TIF) or a PSD file?  I'd be curious.
>>> 
>>> Ed
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: lug-bounces+ekowaleski=twmi.rr.com at leica-users.org
>>> [mailto:lug-bounces+ekowaleski=twmi.rr.com at leica-users.org] On Behalf 
>>> Of
>>> Richard Taylor
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 11:36 AM
>>> To: Leica Users Group
>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Using the Fuji X Pro-1
>>> 
>>> Ed - I can't make a comparison to the Nikon RAW processor since I've 
>>> never
>>> used it.   The Fuji RAW processor--at least on the few images I've tried 
>>> it
>>> with--seems to produce slightly sharper images but they have noticeable
>>> splotchy color noise that I do not see using the Adobe RAW converter.  
>>> The
>>> splotchy noise isn't at all bad, but it is noticeable and I'd rather not 
>>> see
>>> it at all.  
>>> 
>>> I convert all my RAW files to DNG on import just as you do. 
>>> 
>>> The camera will be with me when I go to Maine and by then we should know
>>> whether or not it's going to be a useful platform for my neglected Leica
>>> lenses.     
>>> 
>>> Regards, 
>>> 
>>> Dick
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jun 26, 2012, at 11:56 AM, Edward Kowaleski wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Thanks for the update.  I'm looking forward to handling it when I see 
>>>> you in Bar Harbor.
>>>> 
>>>> Do you have an opinion of the quality of images generated from DNG 
>>>> files that have been converted from proprietary Fuji or Nikon RAW 
>>>> files?  I know you find the conversion a little (or lots) longer but 
>>>> is there any qualitative difference?
>>>> 
>>>> I have been converting all my Panasonic or Nikon RAW images to DNG as 
>>>> soon as I take the chip out of the camera.  It makes subsequent 
>>>> processing and storage simpler (to me) and keeps all my RAW files on 
>>>> one platform  which I feel confident that Adobe will maintain similar to
>>> their Acrobat PDF files.
>>>> I'd appreciate your thoughts on this.
>>>> 
>>>> Ed
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: lug-bounces+ekowaleski=twmi.rr.com at leica-users.org
>>>> [mailto:lug-bounces+ekowaleski=twmi.rr.com at leica-users.org] On 
>>>> Behalf 
>>>> Of Richard Taylor
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 8:29 AM
>>>> To: Leica Users Group
>>>> Subject: [Leica] Using the Fuji X Pro-1
>>>> 
>>>> I've had my X Pro-1 for two weeks now and in thought you might be 
>>>> interested in my impressions of the camera.  There are many images on 
>>>> line testifying to its excellent image quality at low and high ISO so 
>>>> I'm not going to add more--at least for now.  What they show is all 
>>>> true, though, in my experience.
>>>> 
>>>> If you've been following the discussions about the camera, not all of 
>>>> this
>>>> will be new to you.     
>>>> 
>>>> In a nutshell, it is the most M-like digital camera I've yet run across.
>>>> The aperture dial is on the lens where it belongs, ditto for the 
>>>> shutter speed dial and exposure correction dials on the body, and you 
>>>> can set the Fn button to bring up ISO settings, so everything you're 
>>>> likely to need in routine shooting is right out in the open.  The body 
>>>> is just a bit smaller than the M9 and weighs about half as much.
>>>> 
>>>> With the Fujinon lenses, focus is just like the Leica, except it's 
>>>> automatic.  Aim the focus rectangle in the OVF at the point you want 
>>>> in focus, half press the shutter, watch the frame lines jump into 
>>>> place, reframe if necessary and shoot.  Perfect!  When you're close in 
>>>> you've got to use the lower right focus rectangle to correct for 
>>>> parallax, but otherwise the procedure is the same.  Focus speed is 
>>>> more than fast enough, but nowhere near as fast as my Panasonic GX-1.
>>>> 
>>>> If you place the focus rectangle correctly, the focus will be spot-on. 
>>>> 
>>>> OTH, the camera, despite the inclusion of a "Multi-Spot" mode, really 
>>>> doesn't have one as far as I've can tell.  If you put it in 
>>>> Multi-Spot, it will choose the single most contrasty spot in the frame 
>>>> to focus on, whether it's your subject's eye or a lightbulb in the far 
>>>> corner of the frame.  I don't see why this method would work under any 
>>>> circumstances, but maybe one of you can enlighten me.
>>>> 
>>>> The only way you can shoot from the hip is to lock focus on an 
>>>> appropriate middle distance and stop way down, again just as you would 
>>>> do
>>> with an M.
>>>> 
>>>> I can see the frames lines and data in the OVF with my regular glasses 
>>>> on.
>>>> If I'm wearing polarizing sunglasses and holding the camera 
>>>> horizontally,
>>>> though, I can't either in the OVF or anything at all in the EVF.   With
>>> the
>>>> LCD on the camera back it's the other way around.  It's readable with 
>>>> the camera horizontal, but not vertical.
>>>> 
>>>> Opinions can differ on this of course, but for my purposes LR 4 does a 
>>>> better job of processing the RAW files than the Fuji RAW converter does.
>>>> There is less blotchy chroma noise and sharpness is almost as good.  
>>>> OTH, converting the RAW files to DNG and importing them into LR seems 
>>>> to take forever, maybe 3-4 times as long as it takes to import files 
>>>> from
>>> my D300.
>>>> 
>>>> The only thing about the camera that drives me nuts is the power switch.
>>>> Whoever designed it needs to go in for some remedial work on detent
>>> design.
>>>> Even the slightest brush of the hand or the side of a camera bags turns
>>> the
>>>> camera on.   Bad, bad, bad. 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Regards,
>>>> 
>>>> Dick
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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Replies: Reply from jsmith342 at gmail.com (Jeffery Smith) ([Leica] Using the Fuji X Pro-1)
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