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Subject: [Leica] LR 4.1 question
From: leowesson at gmail.com (Leowesson)
Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 16:41:57 -0500
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There are some bugs with version 4 profiles with certain software.  
Sometimes problems similar to this can be solved by using v2 profiles 
instead of v4 profiles.   I have run into this with the ColorMunki and FCPx. 

Leo Wesson
www.leowesson.com

On Jun 9, 2012, at 14:56, "Aram Langhans" <leica_r8 at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Not sure what that would do for him, as he is viewing the files on the 
> same monitor.  I find it odd that if he saves the file in a different 
> directory the problem does not exist.  That is odd.
> 
> Aram
> 
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Leowesson" <leowesson at gmail.com>
> Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2012 11:16 AM
> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org>
> Subject: Re: [Leica] LR 4.1 question
> 
>> Do you calibrate your monitor?
>> 
>> Leo Wesson
>> www.leowesson.com
>> 
>> On Jun 9, 2012, at 11:44, Ken Carney <kcarney1 at cox.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> Thanks.  I've given up for now.  I also downloaded PS6 and ACR 7.1, but 
>>> the same problem occurs.  Everything is fine until I save the tif or psd 
>>> file in the same directory with the raw file.  The differences between 
>>> the (unadjusted in PS) saved image and the raw image range from subtle 
>>> to enormous.   I guess it is not that big a problem - I can adjust in 
>>> LR, edit in PS and then just save the tif file in a different directory. 
>>>  It is only when I save the PS image in the same directory with the raw 
>>> file that either LR or PS is doing something to the image.
>>> 
>>> Ken
>>> 
>>> On 6/8/2012 8:10 PM, Robert Baron wrote:
>>>> When you click 'edit in PS' from LR you are given a choice of whether to
>>>> send it to PS with or without the adjustments you have made in LR.  If 
>>>> you
>>>> haven't made any, the file opened in PS should open as a RAW file w/o 
>>>> any
>>>> adjustments. All things equal it should look the same, so obviously a
>>>> change is being made to it somewhere along the line.
>>>> 
>>>> Then when you return it to LR are you returning the original file or a 
>>>> file
>>>> with the changes you made in PS?
>>>> 
>>>> I know that consistency is reputed to be the hobgoblin of small minds 
>>>> but
>>>> there is something disrupting the consistency of your workflow.  Your
>>>> assignment is to figure out what it is.
>>>> 
>>>> Maybe you should get into preferences / file handling and preferences
>>>> /external editing and see if there are any clues there.
>>>> 
>>>> --Bob
>>>> 
>>>> ==On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 7:36 PM, Ken Carney<kcarney1 at cox.net>  
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Geoff,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Of course it is difficult to follow - it was written by a C.P.A.  Try
>>>>> reading some of our financial statements.  I tried the same thing 
>>>>> using LR
>>>>> 3.6 and PS 4 and PS 5.1 - same thing.  If I open (edit in) PS and save 
>>>>> the
>>>>> tif, viewing the two in LR (raw file and tif) the tif is much lighter,
>>>>> actually blown out.  If I choose "develop" in LR for the tif, the
>>>>> brightness setting is much higher than the CR2 I chose to "edit in PS".
>>>>> As I suspected from the beginning, this is obviously a conspiracy to
>>>>> require an upgrade to CS6.  Thanks much for your comments.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ken
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 6/8/2012 5:13 PM, Geoff Hopkinson wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Ken, that's difficult to follow! I might be able to shed some light on
>>>>>> some
>>>>>> of it at least.
>>>>>> PS 5.1 uses ACR6.7 which does not support all of the functions of 
>>>>>> LR4.1.
>>>>>> It
>>>>>> does not understand some possible raw adjustments and ignores them.
>>>>>> Photoshop CS6 uses the same raw engine as LR4.1. The current version 
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> Adobe Camera Raw  7.1xxx
>>>>>> Possibly there may be some profile changes for your Canon Raw files 
>>>>>> too?
>>>>>> Canon of course is a major client target and updates for Canon would 
>>>>>> be a
>>>>>> high priority for Adobe. I'm sure it doesn't hurt that Mr Knoll is a 
>>>>>> Canon
>>>>>> user ;-)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The working colour space in the raw converter is not the same thing 
>>>>>> as a
>>>>>> colour space assigned to converted files (such as TIFFs). I think it's
>>>>>> linear anyway, that is needs a big curve applied to become something 
>>>>>> we
>>>>>> easily relate to. But if you export a version as a TIFF you can 
>>>>>> choose to
>>>>>> make that Pro Photo as you did to preserve the maximum information. 
>>>>>> Keep
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> mind that you can't see all of the information in there on your 
>>>>>> monitor
>>>>>> nor
>>>>>> in a print.
>>>>>> For most monitors sRGB is more likely with a few high end ones very 
>>>>>> close
>>>>>> to all of Adobe RGB which is very largely covered by good inkjet 
>>>>>> printers
>>>>>> too.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Saturday, 9 June 2012, Ken Carney wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I have seen a number of references to this problem in the Adobe forum,
>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>> have not seen an answer to it.  Hopefully the wisdom of the LUG will 
>>>>>>> bail
>>>>>>> me out once more.  I can import a raw file (CR2) into LR 4.1, and 
>>>>>>> then
>>>>>>> select edit in PS 5.1.  If I save the PS file (as a tif), then in LR 
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> CR2 and the saved tif files look quite different.  Sometimes the tif 
>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>> be lighter, sometimes darker.  If I make any adjustments in PS, then 
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> saved tif can look very different from the CR2 file.  The odd thing 
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> when I look at the file as opened in PS (edit in PS) without any
>>>>>>> adjustments, it looks the same as the CR2 file in LR.  So something 
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> happening when I save the PS file (if I just open the saved tif in 
>>>>>>> PS,
>>>>>>> sure
>>>>>>> enough it looks just like the saved tif file as seen in LR, i.e.,
>>>>>>> different
>>>>>>> from the CR2 file).   I have ACR 6.7 which is supposed to be 
>>>>>>> compatible
>>>>>>> with LR 4.1 and both programs use ProPhoto as the color space.  
>>>>>>> Sorry for
>>>>>>> the long question, but does anyone know what I am missing?  Thanks 
>>>>>>> much,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Ken
>>>>>>> 
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In reply to: Message from kcarney1 at cox.net (Ken Carney) ([Leica] LR 4.1 question)
Message from hopsternew at gmail.com (Geoff Hopkinson) ([Leica] LR 4.1 question)
Message from kcarney1 at cox.net (Ken Carney) ([Leica] LR 4.1 question)
Message from robertbaron1 at gmail.com (Robert Baron) ([Leica] LR 4.1 question)
Message from kcarney1 at cox.net (Ken Carney) ([Leica] LR 4.1 question)
Message from leowesson at gmail.com (Leowesson) ([Leica] LR 4.1 question)
Message from leica_r8 at hotmail.com (Aram Langhans) ([Leica] LR 4.1 question)