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Subject: [Leica] LR 4.1 question
From: leowesson at gmail.com (Leowesson)
Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 13:16:29 -0500
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Do you calibrate your monitor?

Leo Wesson
www.leowesson.com

On Jun 9, 2012, at 11:44, Ken Carney <kcarney1 at cox.net> wrote:

> Thanks.  I've given up for now.  I also downloaded PS6 and ACR 7.1, but 
> the same problem occurs.  Everything is fine until I save the tif or psd 
> file in the same directory with the raw file.  The differences between the 
> (unadjusted in PS) saved image and the raw image range from subtle to 
> enormous.   I guess it is not that big a problem - I can adjust in LR, 
> edit in PS and then just save the tif file in a different directory.  It 
> is only when I save the PS image in the same directory with the raw file 
> that either LR or PS is doing something to the image.
> 
> Ken
> 
> On 6/8/2012 8:10 PM, Robert Baron wrote:
>> When you click 'edit in PS' from LR you are given a choice of whether to
>> send it to PS with or without the adjustments you have made in LR.  If you
>> haven't made any, the file opened in PS should open as a RAW file w/o any
>> adjustments. All things equal it should look the same, so obviously a
>> change is being made to it somewhere along the line.
>> 
>> Then when you return it to LR are you returning the original file or a 
>> file
>> with the changes you made in PS?
>> 
>> I know that consistency is reputed to be the hobgoblin of small minds but
>> there is something disrupting the consistency of your workflow.  Your
>> assignment is to figure out what it is.
>> 
>> Maybe you should get into preferences / file handling and preferences
>> /external editing and see if there are any clues there.
>> 
>> --Bob
>> 
>> ==On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 7:36 PM, Ken Carney<kcarney1 at cox.net>  wrote:
>> 
>>> Geoff,
>>> 
>>> Of course it is difficult to follow - it was written by a C.P.A.  Try
>>> reading some of our financial statements.  I tried the same thing using 
>>> LR
>>> 3.6 and PS 4 and PS 5.1 - same thing.  If I open (edit in) PS and save 
>>> the
>>> tif, viewing the two in LR (raw file and tif) the tif is much lighter,
>>> actually blown out.  If I choose "develop" in LR for the tif, the
>>> brightness setting is much higher than the CR2 I chose to "edit in PS".
>>> As I suspected from the beginning, this is obviously a conspiracy to
>>> require an upgrade to CS6.  Thanks much for your comments.
>>> 
>>> Ken
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 6/8/2012 5:13 PM, Geoff Hopkinson wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Ken, that's difficult to follow! I might be able to shed some light on
>>>> some
>>>> of it at least.
>>>> PS 5.1 uses ACR6.7 which does not support all of the functions of LR4.1.
>>>> It
>>>> does not understand some possible raw adjustments and ignores them.
>>>> Photoshop CS6 uses the same raw engine as LR4.1. The current version is
>>>> Adobe Camera Raw  7.1xxx
>>>> Possibly there may be some profile changes for your Canon Raw files too?
>>>> Canon of course is a major client target and updates for Canon would be 
>>>> a
>>>> high priority for Adobe. I'm sure it doesn't hurt that Mr Knoll is a 
>>>> Canon
>>>> user ;-)
>>>> 
>>>> The working colour space in the raw converter is not the same thing as a
>>>> colour space assigned to converted files (such as TIFFs). I think it's
>>>> linear anyway, that is needs a big curve applied to become something we
>>>> easily relate to. But if you export a version as a TIFF you can choose 
>>>> to
>>>> make that Pro Photo as you did to preserve the maximum information. Keep
>>>> in
>>>> mind that you can't see all of the information in there on your monitor
>>>> nor
>>>> in a print.
>>>> For most monitors sRGB is more likely with a few high end ones very 
>>>> close
>>>> to all of Adobe RGB which is very largely covered by good inkjet 
>>>> printers
>>>> too.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Saturday, 9 June 2012, Ken Carney wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>  I have seen a number of references to this problem in the Adobe forum,
>>>>> but
>>>>> have not seen an answer to it.  Hopefully the wisdom of the LUG will 
>>>>> bail
>>>>> me out once more.  I can import a raw file (CR2) into LR 4.1, and then
>>>>> select edit in PS 5.1.  If I save the PS file (as a tif), then in LR 
>>>>> the
>>>>> CR2 and the saved tif files look quite different.  Sometimes the tif 
>>>>> will
>>>>> be lighter, sometimes darker.  If I make any adjustments in PS, then 
>>>>> the
>>>>> saved tif can look very different from the CR2 file.  The odd thing is
>>>>> that
>>>>> when I look at the file as opened in PS (edit in PS) without any
>>>>> adjustments, it looks the same as the CR2 file in LR.  So something is
>>>>> happening when I save the PS file (if I just open the saved tif in PS,
>>>>> sure
>>>>> enough it looks just like the saved tif file as seen in LR, i.e.,
>>>>> different
>>>>> from the CR2 file).   I have ACR 6.7 which is supposed to be compatible
>>>>> with LR 4.1 and both programs use ProPhoto as the color space.  Sorry 
>>>>> for
>>>>> the long question, but does anyone know what I am missing?  Thanks 
>>>>> much,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ken
>>>>> 
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