Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2012/06/09
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Right, I use a Spyder 3 and ColorEyes Display Pro software. Ken On 6/9/2012 1:16 PM, Leowesson wrote: > Do you calibrate your monitor? > > Leo Wesson > www.leowesson.com > > On Jun 9, 2012, at 11:44, Ken Carney<kcarney1 at cox.net> wrote: > >> Thanks. I've given up for now. I also downloaded PS6 and ACR 7.1, but >> the same problem occurs. Everything is fine until I save the tif or psd >> file in the same directory with the raw file. The differences between >> the (unadjusted in PS) saved image and the raw image range from subtle to >> enormous. I guess it is not that big a problem - I can adjust in LR, >> edit in PS and then just save the tif file in a different directory. It >> is only when I save the PS image in the same directory with the raw file >> that either LR or PS is doing something to the image. >> >> Ken >> >> On 6/8/2012 8:10 PM, Robert Baron wrote: >>> When you click 'edit in PS' from LR you are given a choice of whether to >>> send it to PS with or without the adjustments you have made in LR. If >>> you >>> haven't made any, the file opened in PS should open as a RAW file w/o any >>> adjustments. All things equal it should look the same, so obviously a >>> change is being made to it somewhere along the line. >>> >>> Then when you return it to LR are you returning the original file or a >>> file >>> with the changes you made in PS? >>> >>> I know that consistency is reputed to be the hobgoblin of small minds but >>> there is something disrupting the consistency of your workflow. Your >>> assignment is to figure out what it is. >>> >>> Maybe you should get into preferences / file handling and preferences >>> /external editing and see if there are any clues there. >>> >>> --Bob >>> >>> ==On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 7:36 PM, Ken Carney<kcarney1 at cox.net> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Geoff, >>>> >>>> Of course it is difficult to follow - it was written by a C.P.A. Try >>>> reading some of our financial statements. I tried the same thing using >>>> LR >>>> 3.6 and PS 4 and PS 5.1 - same thing. If I open (edit in) PS and save >>>> the >>>> tif, viewing the two in LR (raw file and tif) the tif is much lighter, >>>> actually blown out. If I choose "develop" in LR for the tif, the >>>> brightness setting is much higher than the CR2 I chose to "edit in PS". >>>> As I suspected from the beginning, this is obviously a conspiracy to >>>> require an upgrade to CS6. Thanks much for your comments. >>>> >>>> Ken >>>> >>>> >>>> On 6/8/2012 5:13 PM, Geoff Hopkinson wrote: >>>> >>>>> Ken, that's difficult to follow! I might be able to shed some light on >>>>> some >>>>> of it at least. >>>>> PS 5.1 uses ACR6.7 which does not support all of the functions of >>>>> LR4.1. >>>>> It >>>>> does not understand some possible raw adjustments and ignores them. >>>>> Photoshop CS6 uses the same raw engine as LR4.1. The current version is >>>>> Adobe Camera Raw 7.1xxx >>>>> Possibly there may be some profile changes for your Canon Raw files >>>>> too? >>>>> Canon of course is a major client target and updates for Canon would >>>>> be a >>>>> high priority for Adobe. I'm sure it doesn't hurt that Mr Knoll is a >>>>> Canon >>>>> user ;-) >>>>> >>>>> The working colour space in the raw converter is not the same thing as >>>>> a >>>>> colour space assigned to converted files (such as TIFFs). I think it's >>>>> linear anyway, that is needs a big curve applied to become something we >>>>> easily relate to. But if you export a version as a TIFF you can choose >>>>> to >>>>> make that Pro Photo as you did to preserve the maximum information. >>>>> Keep >>>>> in >>>>> mind that you can't see all of the information in there on your monitor >>>>> nor >>>>> in a print. >>>>> For most monitors sRGB is more likely with a few high end ones very >>>>> close >>>>> to all of Adobe RGB which is very largely covered by good inkjet >>>>> printers >>>>> too. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Saturday, 9 June 2012, Ken Carney wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I have seen a number of references to this problem in the Adobe >>>>> forum, >>>>>> but >>>>>> have not seen an answer to it. Hopefully the wisdom of the LUG will >>>>>> bail >>>>>> me out once more. I can import a raw file (CR2) into LR 4.1, and then >>>>>> select edit in PS 5.1. If I save the PS file (as a tif), then in LR >>>>>> the >>>>>> CR2 and the saved tif files look quite different. Sometimes the tif >>>>>> will >>>>>> be lighter, sometimes darker. If I make any adjustments in PS, then >>>>>> the >>>>>> saved tif can look very different from the CR2 file. The odd thing is >>>>>> that >>>>>> when I look at the file as opened in PS (edit in PS) without any >>>>>> adjustments, it looks the same as the CR2 file in LR. So something is >>>>>> happening when I save the PS file (if I just open the saved tif in PS, >>>>>> sure >>>>>> enough it looks just like the saved tif file as seen in LR, i.e., >>>>>> different >>>>>> from the CR2 file). I have ACR 6.7 which is supposed to be >>>>>> compatible >>>>>> with LR 4.1 and both programs use ProPhoto as the color space. Sorry >>>>>> for >>>>>> the long question, but does anyone know what I am missing? 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