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Subject: [Leica] marriage
From: ken at iisaka.com (Ken Iisaka)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 17:21:58 -0700
References: <CA+yJO1DbWqZUP1ju_Xs6ydtGVat_v0Zu9F4teS7stQ2N3UYVOQ@mail.gmail.com> <CBEC19FE.15876%chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com> <CA+yJO1AjhHVP8rsCE20SyzEr9UR9HzCG4-AYQytLOFCT3Z+PSg@mail.gmail.com> <9ACA21CD-F4AF-4A28-B799-9218B9856E32@gmail.com>

And yes, I should have divorced just a few years after marrying her, when I
was still young.

Essentially, she wants a 1950's style divorce, in which she won't have to
work for the rest of her life. This is 2010s today.

On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 4:11 PM, Lluis Ripoll
<lluisripollquerol at gmail.com>wrote:

> Tina,
>
> Do you know the Groucho Marx quote "Marriage is the leading cause of
> divorces"
>
> Just a joke... but here too, is the same, many young marrieds are divorced
> a few years after. I don't know if this a consequence and a sign of our
> times, everything goes fast, everything is changing...
>
> Saludos
> Lluis
>
>
>
> El 31/05/2012, a las 1:03, Tina Manley escribi?:
>
>
>  That's what my son is telling me.  He has been living with his girlfriend
>> for 7 years and they have just bought a house together!  When I ask about
>> marriage, they both say that every friend they have who has gotten married
>> has ended up divorced within a year or two.  They are actually afraid of
>> marriage.  What has happened?  Why is marriage a threat instead of a
>> promise?
>>
>> Maybe we should move this to the Forum.
>>
>> Tina
>>
>> On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 6:55 PM, Chris Crawford <
>> chris at chriscrawfordphoto.com> wrote:
>>
>>  The fact that you're a goodhearted woman who would never do that to your
>>> husband doesn't change the fact that you still have a license to steal if
>>> you wanted to. That wasn't such a concern for your generation, Tina. When
>>> you got married, people respected their marriage vows, and each other.
>>>
>>> The women of my generation simply do not have that belief. They get
>>> bored,
>>> they go screw someone else. Then they divorce the man and take most of
>>> what he has. More than half of marriages in my age group  fail within 5
>>> years, and 85% of divorces are filed by the women, not the men. When a
>>> female attorney tells me that men are idiots for marrying today, I see no
>>> reason why she would lie.
>>>
>>> Even my mother has told me that! She works with a lot of women who are my
>>> age and younger, and she has told me that she is absolutely mortified by
>>> their behaviour. She asked me recently why she keeps seeing young women
>>> ditching good men for worthless scum. She finally understood why so many
>>> decent men refuse to marry these days. Women can do what they want, its a
>>> free country, and I would certainly not want the government telling
>>> people
>>> who want to divorce that they cannot. At the same time, the laws are very
>>> unjust, and men have the freedom to refuse to participate. I have met
>>> some
>>> women who are good women, but they're all my mother's age.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Chris Crawford
>>> Fine Art Photography
>>> Fort Wayne, Indiana
>>> 260-437-8990
>>>
>>> http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.**com <http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com> 
>>> My portfolio
>>>
>>> http://blog.**chriscrawfordphoto.com<http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com> 
>>> My latest work!
>>>
>>> http://www.facebook.com/pages/**Christopher-Crawford/**48229272798<http://www.facebook.com/pages/Christopher-Crawford/48229272798>
>>> Become a fan on Facebook
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5/30/12 5:59 PM, "Tina Manley" <images at comporium.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>  Whoa!  Sorry you guys have had a bad experience with marriage but maybe
>>>> you
>>>> just picked the wrong women!  I don't think my husband would say that
>>>> marriage is a license for women to steal.  We share everything.
>>>>  Marriage
>>>> is wonderful when you choose the right partner.  We couldn't imagine
>>>> life
>>>> without each other.  He is my other half and my best friend.
>>>>
>>>> Tina
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 5:41 PM, Chris Crawford <
>>>> chris at chriscrawfordphoto.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  You've learned an expensive lesson: Marriage is simply a license for
>>>>> women
>>>>> to steal. I've never, thank God, been married, but I've dealt with the
>>>>> family-law system a lot over the years because I have a 15 year old
>>>>> son.
>>>>> My attorney, who is a young woman, told me that any man who marries in
>>>>> the
>>>>> United States is as stupid as a chicken who would support Colonel
>>>>> Sanders.
>>>>> I've seen several friends with wives who cheated on them constantly,
>>>>> then
>>>>> left for another man, and the courts punished the husband for his
>>>>> wife's
>>>>> whoring by letting the ex-wife steal everything he owned. My attorney
>>>>> told
>>>>> me that men get zero benefit from marriage.
>>>>>
>>>>> I got custody of my son 4 yrs ago. His mother has never and will never
>>>>> pay
>>>>> a dime of child support. The state couldn't care less. I don't care, I
>>>>> don't need her money and am honestly happy that she leaves us alone
>>>>> (she
>>>>> rarely sees our son, she lost interest in him after having a new baby).
>>>>> My
>>>>> ex got NOTHNG I owned when she decided to leave for some loser
>>>>> 'badboy',
>>>>> because we were not married. All she got was child support during the
>>>>> years she had custody of him.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Chris Crawford
>>>>> Fine Art Photography
>>>>> Fort Wayne, Indiana
>>>>> 260-437-8990
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.**com<http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com> 
>>>>> My portfolio
>>>>>
>>>>> http://blog.**chriscrawfordphoto.com<http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com>
>>>>>  My latest work!
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/pages/**Christopher-Crawford/**48229272798<http://www.facebook.com/pages/Christopher-Crawford/48229272798>
>>>>> Become a fan on Facebook
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 5/30/12 3:07 PM, "Ken Iisaka" <ken at iisaka.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  Going through a very acrimonious divorce process, I just received a
>>>>>>
>>>>> demand
>>>>>
>>>>>> letter from my ex demanding all of my photographic equipment acquired
>>>>>> before the separation date. That includes numerous M bodies including
>>>>>>
>>>>> an
>>>>>
>>>>>> M8, and a bunch of lenses including some spectacular lenses like
>>>>>>
>>>>> Noctilux
>>>>>
>>>>>> and APO Summicron 90mm.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Considering that she has previously claimed highly inflated values for
>>>>>>
>>>>> my
>>>>>
>>>>>> equipment, I'm hoping that I would be able to get 50% of the value
>>>>>>
>>>>> towards
>>>>>
>>>>>> a new set of equipment based on her valuation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Looking at what I use the most, I think I'd be very happy with a MM,
>>>>>> APO-Summicron 50mm for most of my work, and Olympus OM-D E-M5 with a
>>>>>>
>>>>> few
>>>>>
>>>>>> lenses for color work. In the film days, I used Leica exclusively for
>>>>>>
>>>>> BW,
>>>>>
>>>>>> and a Nikon for color. I look forward to these simpler days.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Ken Iisaka
>>>>>> first name at last name dot org or com
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Tina Manley, ASMP
>>>> www.tinamanley.com
>>>>
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>>>
>>>
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>>
>> --
>> Tina Manley, ASMP
>> www.tinamanley.com
>>
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-- 
Ken Iisaka
first name at last name dot org or com


In reply to: Message from images at comporium.net (Tina Manley) ([Leica] Reorganizing my equipment collection)
Message from chris at chriscrawfordphoto.com (Chris Crawford) ([Leica] marriage)
Message from images at comporium.net (Tina Manley) ([Leica] marriage)
Message from lluisripollquerol at gmail.com (Lluis Ripoll) ([Leica] marriage)