Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2010/09/15
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]You ask why because if the next guys images are looking a lot better than yours its your obligation to find out what he/she's doing that your not. If there's a huge obvious difference in quality between his stack of images over yours its proably format. Sensor size. But what ever it is its obvious you'd want to know. But whatever it is it begs the question in most cases "what camera are you using?" In my case I when I stared out I was getting a lot better images than another photographer down the street who was well known and was making a lot more money than I was in Portland Oregon. He made no bones about being threatened by the way my prints were looking and I have no secrets as to my technique so when he asked me what I was doing I freely told him. He was shooting in the studio with studio strobes with a white umbrella and tri x. I was shooting in the studio with studio strobes with a zebra umbrella and Panatomic. He went out and got a zebra umbrella. He got more contrast. But still he didn't get my quality. In the end when he finally switched to slow film that was of course what did it. For the most part. In this case we were both using 35mm most of the time so it was not format. But if you're using tri x with studio strobes you're being real stupid and that should make a big difference. You'd think a guy like him would know that but he didn't. Also I was using Beutlers. He never went there and it showed. You try to keep learning. Watching what's going on. How'd that guy do that? Which film did that guy use for those shots? Are those shots so good because he used slow film and a tripod? Or medium format? You keep looking and asking and you learn what you need to do to get your stuff looking the way you want it to look. Sound obsesive or ridiculous? Then just keep doing what you're doing and see how far you get. Obliviousness never paid. Not that I ever saw. -------------------- Mark William Rabiner Photography mark at rabinergroup.com > From: Philip Forrest <photo.forrest at earthlink.net> > Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> > Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 07:38:34 -0400 > To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> > Subject: Re: [Leica] Format output obviousness > > What is there to hang up? > Is there some "Enter the Dragon" ultimate test of life in which I, or > anyone for that matter, will be forced to deduce what size sensor made > what image? What about vintage? Will we have to be able to tell the > difference between a Nikon D100, D70 and an Epson RD1? After all, they > are incredibly similar. > If you're looking for the differences in sensor size through the final > image, I'd ask yourself "why?" > Because it's absolutely irrelevant. > > Phil Forrest > > > > On Wed, 15 Sep 2010 03:28:58 -0400 > Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote: > >> Every portfolio I've ever had or stack of prints; and every stack of >> prints other photographers have shown me I've always known which ones >> of my prints were 35mm, Medium format, or sheet film and I didn't >> have to bother telling them and they didn't have to bother telling >> me; as we all knew at first glance. >> I can normally easily tell the difference between a full frame >> digital image even at low output and cropped format digital output >> and I think many people can with any experience. And certainly the >> difference between that and point and shoots with sensors the size of >> my pinky nail. And the 2x crop in between. And medium format digital >> blows me right out of the water at least my eyeballs. >> If you can't tell the difference between your large and smaller format >> digital output the time to hang it up is now. >> Take up audio. >> >> -------------------- >> Mark William Rabiner >> Photography >> mark at rabinergroup.com >> . >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information