Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2010/06/11

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Subject: [Leica] Lightroom 3
From: douglas.sharp at gmx.de (Douglas Sharp)
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 01:04:21 +0200
References: <AANLkTik8QCfvAmM-gpDbxNIbr3UC6zBzfqBUdSjPaxTL@mail.gmail.com> <495380.83503.qm@web82102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <AANLkTinyMp6ejKdNh3so3WCTUNqUakWIAh-dYKa-_QEO@mail.gmail.com> <AANLkTilNcWkpZ-5SbdwKlXeAfh1ICG6VEnvPJY_NiPNo@mail.gmail.com> <341385.86946.qm@web82104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <AANLkTikmuFClBjBRV5oNJtEjUDm2ddRJAgaW6mumnIrP@mail.gmail.com> <AANLkTinukhty-v9UOoLSUZO8qj1Zc4A4yMtwzJu6nx_m@mail.gmail.com> <AANLkTinrDx6HAB5GIPLRyxhvVcxzbX_TUGH74ogEpT-y@mail.gmail.com> <4C12262B.3040307@gmx.de> <AANLkTil6VmaX5CSFVOgYavFeOR9lPjIp-y9DZjDNdk8S@mail.gmail.com>

They should neither be negotiating nor should they be seeking an 
adequate or even a suitable solution - so the bet is off (but I'll buy 
you a beer anyway). From a legal POV they are backed into a corner.

I quote from the Leica website:

Included with the LEICA M9, is a license for Adobe Photoshop Lightroom, 
a professional digital workflow solution available for both Mac OS X and 
Microsoft Windows operating systems. The software is a free download for 
LEICA M9 customers, to guarantee that the most current version is always 
available.


Cheers
Douglas

On 12.06.2010 00:18, Geoff Hopkinson wrote:
> Haah! that translated best as a suitable solution I recall ;-) Stefan also
> said it would not be before (the now approaching) Photokina too.
> This time Leica Camera are negotiating to provide something more than was
> originally offered. I'll bet you a bier when next we meet that they arrive
> at a suitable solution ;-)
>
> Cheers
> Geoff
> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman
>
>
> On 11 June 2010 22:03, Douglas Sharp<douglas.sharp at gmx.de>  wrote:
>
>    
>> Aha! the famous Leica "adequate solution" again - we are still waiting for
>> one of those for the post-DMR combination of digital and R-lenses :-)
>>
>> Cheers
>> Douglas
>>
>>
>> On 11.06.2010 13:09, Geoff Hopkinson wrote:
>>
>>      
>>>   'Bad Robot' on the L Camera Forum has this quote from communication 
>>> with
>>> Leica Camera Software support:
>>> ............................................
>>> I also contacted leica, here is the reply....
>>> Dear Mr. David.
>>> Thank you for your interest in the Leica system.
>>> Recently Adobe has introduced the new Lightroom version LR3. We are still
>>> in
>>> the process of communicating with Adobe regarding the deployment and
>>> availability of LR3 for Leica. We kindly ask you for patience as we are
>>> certain to be in the position to offer an adequate solution as soon as
>>> possible.
>>> Please note that the licence numbers issued for Leica S2, M9 and X1 are
>>> currently valid for Adobe Lightroom 2 only! These licence numbers cannot
>>> be
>>> used to download any Lightroom 3 versions from the Adobe website!
>>>
>>> We kindly ask for your understanding.
>>>
>>> Mit freundlichen Gruessen / kind regards
>>>
>>> ..............................................
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Geoff
>>> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11 June 2010 18:43, Erik van der Meulen<erik at avondel.com>   wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>        
>>>>   Just received a phone call from my Leica dealer. It appears that Leica
>>>> is
>>>> currently negotiating a deal with Adobe concerning Lightroom 3 licences.
>>>> For
>>>> the time being only 2 is available.
>>>> He also told me that he expected to be able to 'work things out' for my
>>>> particular unfortunate case. But of course no guarantees there.
>>>> He further told me that Leica was getting more comparable cases on their
>>>> desks...
>>>>
>>>> Warm regards,
>>>>
>>>> Erik
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 01:04, Geoff Hopkinson<hopsternew at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>          
>>>>> At least one person has spoken to Leica Camera Software support 
>>>>> directly
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>            
>>>> on
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>          
>>>>> this. My suggestion is to wait al ittle longer if you have not used 
>>>>> your
>>>>> download entitlement. Worst case is that you have just delayed a little
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>            
>>>> and
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>          
>>>>> then just pay the upgrade amount. Pleasingly for non-US customers Adobe
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>            
>>>> are
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>          
>>>>> quoting an equivalent of the USD price rather than a much higher figure
>>>>> (AUD
>>>>> 136 with tax here in AUS)
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>> Geoff
>>>>> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 11 June 2010 03:09, Bob Adler<rgacpa at yahoo.com>   wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>            
>>>>>> Thanks Erik. I'll watch for any more info you obtain.
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>> Bob
>>>>>>   Bob Adler
>>>>>> Palo Alto, CA
>>>>>> http://www.rgaphoto.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>> From: Erik van der Meulen<erik at avondel.com>
>>>>>> To: Leica Users Group<lug at leica-users.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Thu, June 10, 2010 8:28:04 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Lightroom 3
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Be a little more patient please! I entered my M9 certificate yesterday
>>>>>> (after waiting almost 3 month) when my Leica dealer told me that it 
>>>>>> was
>>>>>> safe. Very unfortunately I received a 2.6 version and licence! (which 
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> already have)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have sent a 'complaint' to Leica and to my dealer. No word yet from
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>              
>>>>> the
>>>>>            
>>>>
>>>>          
>>>>>    first, but the latter told me that he would 'see what he can do'.
>>>>>            
>>>>>> So my advice would be: bite the nails a little more, or be prepared to
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>              
>>>>> pay
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>            
>>>>>> an additional ???????99 for the upgrade...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Al the best,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Erik van der Meulen
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 19:03, Tina Manley<images at comporium.net>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>              
>>>>>   wrote:
>>>>>            
>>>>
>>>>          
>>>>>            
>>>>>>              
>>>>>>> I'm doing the same, but my certificate is at the house and I'm at the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                
>>>>>> farm.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>              
>>>>>>>   If you find out, let me know!  I've also read that if you have
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                
>>>>>> catalogs
>>>>>>              
>>>>>
>>>>>            
>>>>>> in
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>              
>>>>>>> LR3 Beta, you should export them before installing LR3 or you will
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                
>>>>>> lose
>>>>>>              
>>>>
>>>>          
>>>>>   them.
>>>>>            
>>>>>>> Tina
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 11:41 AM, Bob Adler<rgacpa at yahoo.com>   
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                
>>>>>>>> Great news! Finally!!!
>>>>>>>> So I've been saving the free LR certificate that came with my M9
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                  
>>>>>>> (as
>>>>>>>                
>>>>
>>>>          
>>>>> I
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>            
>>>>>>   already had LR). Anyone know if it will be good for a free LR III?
>>>>>>              
>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>> Bob
>>>>>>>>   Bob Adler
>>>>>>>> Palo Alto, CA
>>>>>>>> http://www.rgaphoto.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Tina Manley, ASMP
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                  
>>>>>>> www.tinamanley.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> Leica Users Group.
>>>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Erik van der Meulen
>>>>>> erik at avondel.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>              
>>>>>            
>>>>          
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>>>
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>>
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In reply to: Message from hopsternew at gmail.com (Geoff Hopkinson) ([Leica] Lightroom 3)
Message from rgacpa at yahoo.com (Bob Adler) ([Leica] Lightroom 3)
Message from images at comporium.net (Tina Manley) ([Leica] Lightroom 3)
Message from erik at avondel.com (Erik van der Meulen) ([Leica] Lightroom 3)
Message from rgacpa at yahoo.com (Bob Adler) ([Leica] Lightroom 3)
Message from hopsternew at gmail.com (Geoff Hopkinson) ([Leica] Lightroom 3)
Message from erik at avondel.com (Erik van der Meulen) ([Leica] Lightroom 3)
Message from hopsternew at gmail.com (Geoff Hopkinson) ([Leica] Lightroom 3)
Message from douglas.sharp at gmx.de (Douglas Sharp) ([Leica] Lightroom 3)
Message from hopsternew at gmail.com (Geoff Hopkinson) ([Leica] Lightroom 3)