Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2010/05/27
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]The important thing seems to be "how big a sensor can I fit in my pocket?" ;~) Regards, George Lottermoser george at imagist.com http://www.imagist.com http://www.imagist.com/blog http://www.linkedin.com/in/imagist On May 27, 2010, at 2:04 AM, Geoff Hopkinson wrote: > Can you imagine holding a Leica M at arm's length to use it? Quite > apart > from possibly aging eyes in their demographic (guilty), danged if > it makes > any sense to me. > > It is interesting to me that Oly and Panasonic seems to be doing so > well > with their mFT cameras but appear to have reached an unpredicted > market, > being enthusiasts rather than people wanting to ugrade from > compacts. A lot > of enthusiam for putting adapters on and using older good quality > lenses > (and why not) rather than the mFT ones. Then lots of those folks > right away > want a clip on EVF or optical finder which is still not comparable > to a good > optical finder. Here at least for example the neat little Olympus E- > P2 with > kit zoom and EVF sells for AUD 1,800 yet you can get the E620 > equivalent > with kit zoom for AUD 649. Pretty clearly people really value the > ability to > put those adapters on and the smaller form factor but I'm > unconvinced that > the average would be compact upgrader is not baulking at the current > pricing. Panasonic are worse (here at least). Maybe they've taken some > advice from Leica because you can't find those GF-1s in stock anywhere > despite the not inconsiderable price tags. It's all Howard Cummer's > fault > that my wife wants one now. > > But now Sony has positioned themselves to appeal to that same set > of compact > P&S upgraders that aren't buying the Oly's and Panas! The cameras > look like > extremely clever engineering to me but the user interface is > horrible to my > taste. If other enthusiasts agree they aren't going to be lining up > to get > the NEX new thing. But Sony is worth millions so what would I > know????? > > Well as soon as someone uses some reality altering sorcery powered > by wishes > and produces a smaller M9 that costs a third as much I suppose that > everyone > will lose interest. > Of course you CAN now get an M8 for that sort of money and the crop > factor > is better than all of these new designs. Takes M lenses with no > adapters and > everything. There are some thousands of them out there. ;-) ;-) > > Cheers > Geoff > http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman > > > On 27 May 2010 16:24, Frank Dernie <Frank.Dernie at btinternet.com> > wrote: > >> For me it is useless since it has no viewfinder, tried that for a >> week or >> two - hated it. Any camera with no viewfinder limits its use to >> people >> moving up from a mobile phone or P&S. >> They may not be disappointed. >> IMO >> Frank >> >> On 26 May, 2010, at 21:54, Mark Rabiner wrote: >> >>> http://a.img-dpreview.com/news/1005/sonysensor/sensor_compare.jpg >>> Double layer in effect couplets instead of in effect single lens >>> eyewear >> in >>> front of each pixel site makes for Sony being able to make the >>> smallest >>> pixel sights yet and still do well with image quality. The way it >> looks.... >>> Meanwhile it doest waste its time in sub miniature digital >>> formats but >> comes >>> out with its tiny NEX cameras with 1.5 crop like the Leica X1 >>> instead of >> the >>> dumb 2x crop cameras which capture the hearts and minds of the >>> bulk of >> the >>> LUG. >>> It's very cool and cute and flat 16mm pancake 2.8 becomes a very >>> capable >>> 24mm lens for these NEX cameras. My advanced math skills tells me >>> that >> lens >>> would be a 32mm if they were talking about the crazy useless 2x >>> crop >>> cameras. >>> That said they could apply this two layer technology to these >>> smaller >>> formats and perhaps do ok. Next year. Nobody knows anything about >>> it yet. >>> But in Pict form it looks good so far. >>> I'm very big on Sony. >>> >>> The 16mm pancake looks great but this NEX series is being mainly >> presented >>> with larger front heavy looking zoom glass in front and with much >>> talk >> about >>> its video capabilities to justify it. Very smart marketing and >>> camera >> design >>> as far as I go. Real stocking stuffers . I'm ready for one. >>> >>> http://www.dpreview.com/previews/sonynex5/ >>> Mirrorless like the Leica Dlux series and the bulk of the >>> cameras being >>> used today which are not DSLR's. Though there is cross over. >>> >>> We need such an option with M mount >>> >>> And give me two layers in front of my sensor to make it quite >>> able to >> deal >>> with non retrofocal glass designs. >>> >>> [Rabs] >>> Mark William Rabiner >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information