Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2010/05/27
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Can you imagine holding a Leica M at arm's length to use it? Quite apart from possibly aging eyes in their demographic (guilty), danged if it makes any sense to me. It is interesting to me that Oly and Panasonic seems to be doing so well with their mFT cameras but appear to have reached an unpredicted market, being enthusiasts rather than people wanting to ugrade from compacts. A lot of enthusiam for putting adapters on and using older good quality lenses (and why not) rather than the mFT ones. Then lots of those folks right away want a clip on EVF or optical finder which is still not comparable to a good optical finder. Here at least for example the neat little Olympus E-P2 with kit zoom and EVF sells for AUD 1,800 yet you can get the E620 equivalent with kit zoom for AUD 649. Pretty clearly people really value the ability to put those adapters on and the smaller form factor but I'm unconvinced that the average would be compact upgrader is not baulking at the current pricing. Panasonic are worse (here at least). Maybe they've taken some advice from Leica because you can't find those GF-1s in stock anywhere despite the not inconsiderable price tags. It's all Howard Cummer's fault that my wife wants one now. But now Sony has positioned themselves to appeal to that same set of compact P&S upgraders that aren't buying the Oly's and Panas! The cameras look like extremely clever engineering to me but the user interface is horrible to my taste. If other enthusiasts agree they aren't going to be lining up to get the NEX new thing. But Sony is worth millions so what would I know????? Well as soon as someone uses some reality altering sorcery powered by wishes and produces a smaller M9 that costs a third as much I suppose that everyone will lose interest. Of course you CAN now get an M8 for that sort of money and the crop factor is better than all of these new designs. Takes M lenses with no adapters and everything. There are some thousands of them out there. ;-) ;-) Cheers Geoff http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman On 27 May 2010 16:24, Frank Dernie <Frank.Dernie at btinternet.com> wrote: > For me it is useless since it has no viewfinder, tried that for a week or > two - hated it. Any camera with no viewfinder limits its use to people > moving up from a mobile phone or P&S. > They may not be disappointed. > IMO > Frank > > On 26 May, 2010, at 21:54, Mark Rabiner wrote: > > > http://a.img-dpreview.com/news/1005/sonysensor/sensor_compare.jpg > > Double layer in effect couplets instead of in effect single lens eyewear > in > > front of each pixel site makes for Sony being able to make the smallest > > pixel sights yet and still do well with image quality. The way it > looks.... > > Meanwhile it doest waste its time in sub miniature digital formats but > comes > > out with its tiny NEX cameras with 1.5 crop like the Leica X1 instead of > the > > dumb 2x crop cameras which capture the hearts and minds of the bulk of > the > > LUG. > > It's very cool and cute and flat 16mm pancake 2.8 becomes a very capable > > 24mm lens for these NEX cameras. My advanced math skills tells me that > lens > > would be a 32mm if they were talking about the crazy useless 2x crop > > cameras. > > That said they could apply this two layer technology to these smaller > > formats and perhaps do ok. Next year. Nobody knows anything about it yet. > > But in Pict form it looks good so far. > > I'm very big on Sony. > > > > The 16mm pancake looks great but this NEX series is being mainly > presented > > with larger front heavy looking zoom glass in front and with much talk > about > > its video capabilities to justify it. Very smart marketing and camera > design > > as far as I go. Real stocking stuffers . I'm ready for one. > > > > http://www.dpreview.com/previews/sonynex5/ > > Mirrorless like the Leica Dlux series and the bulk of the cameras being > > used today which are not DSLR's. Though there is cross over. > > > > We need such an option with M mount > > > > And give me two layers in front of my sensor to make it quite able to > deal > > with non retrofocal glass designs. > > > > [Rabs] > > Mark William Rabiner > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Leica Users Group. > > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >