Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2010/03/03
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]My cleaning woes, on a D3 can all be tracked back to using the arctic butterfly to clean dust off of a filter. Oil got on the brush so whenever i tried to clean the sensor i oiled it instead. had to buy the oil remover solution and use another solution after that to clean that residue. I probably used 50$ worth of cleaning pads and purchased 50$ worth of cleaner before I figured out that I was stupid and should have read the directions on the arctic butterfly where it says, "do not use on filters or lenses". compared to a d3, cleaning the m8 was a breeze. Leo Wesson Photographer/Videographer 817.733.9157 www.leowesson.com On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 10:26 AM, Nathan Wajsman <photo at frozenlight.eu> wrote: > You are mixing two different things, Geoff. The supersonic wave filter > does not move the sensor and I do not see why Leica would not adapt it > except for the usual "not invented here" syndrome. IS is what moves the > sensor around in an E3, and I agree that this is one feature that Leica > can do without and that I generally do not use even on cameras that have > it. > > Cheers, > Nathan > > Nathan Wajsman > Alicante, Spain > http://www.frozenlight.eu > http://www.greatpix.eu > http://www.nathanfoto.com > > Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 > PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws > Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog > > > > > > > On Mar 3, 2010, at 9:37 AM, Geoff Hopkinson wrote: > >> Well I was being flippant, but does it not have IS also???????. >> You have a supersonic wave filter in front of the sensor assembly for >> repelling dust, yes. Most Olys have a Supersonic Wave Drive (it's a >> stepping >> motor system in the E620) which is used for the image stabilisation >> system. The whole sensor assembly is moved in at least two planes. That >> sensor ain't nailed down ;-). In any caser, fill your boots ;-) I was just >> commenting on my personal preference for the way Leica does it. Actually I >> would think that it would be technically difficult if not impossible to >> fit >> such systems into an M. The S2 does not have it either and of course there >> is rather more room in there. >> Who knows what future Leica camera may have in there. But it won't be an M >> any longer if it moves to LiveView and IS and EVFs and the rest of it. You >> are right that those things are virtually standard in the mainstream >> dSLRs. >> >> >> Cheers >> Geoff >> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman >> M is for Messsucher >> >> >> On 3 March 2010 16:44, Nathan Wajsman <photo at frozenlight.eu> wrote: >> >>> Geoff, I am never held back from using my M8 either. I am careful about >>> where and how I change lenses here in dusty Spain, but otherwise no >>> problem. >>> >>> However, why do you call the Oly system "vibrating sensor"? It is an >>> ultrasound thingie, the sensor does not vibrate AFAIK. Like that other >>> Oly >>> innovation, LiveView, I think it will become more or less standard on >>> interchangeable lens cameras. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Nathan >>> >>> Nathan Wajsman >>> Alicante, Spain >>> http://www.frozenlight.eu >>> http://www.greatpix.eu >>> http://www.nathanfoto.com >>> >>> Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 >>> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws >>> Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mar 3, 2010, at 7:16 AM, Geoff Hopkinson wrote: >>> >>>> I used my M8 for two years and about 9000 frames with no difficulties >>> with >>>> routine cleans. This is nothing more than a procedural hiccup. I've >>>> found >>>> one brand and method that's perfect for me. It doesn't do to stress over >>>> this stuff! >>>> I certainly wouldn't recommend that anyone not use their M or consider >>> that >>>> the need for sensor cleaning should deter anyone from using ANY digital >>>> camera with interchangeable lenses. >>>> My personal prefernce is for Leica's sensor and its very precise >>> calibration >>>> within the body rather than any vibrating system. ?Your cyclic rate may >>>> vary, people ;-) >>>> >>>> >>>> Cheers >>>> Geoff >>>> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman >>>> >>>> >>>> On 3 March 2010 15:55, Jim Nichols <jhnichols at lighttube.net> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Much as I envy the M8/M9 users, these recent cleaning tales make me >>>>> more >>>>> pleased every day that I am using a couple of Oly E-thingies. ?I am >>> happy to >>>>> keep things very simple. >>>>> >>>>> Jim Nichols >>>>> Tullahoma, TN USA >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nathan Wajsman" < >>> photo at frozenlight.eu> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org> >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 11:46 PM >>>>> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Sensor cleaning revisited >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Wow, this sounds scary Geoff. I bet several doses of "blood pressure >>>>>> medication" were needed during and after this process. >>>>>> >>>>>> Because of tales like this, I have a simple rule: never put any liquid >>> on >>>>>> the sensor, never touch it with anything wet. I use Sensor Scope. The >>> kit >>>>>> does contain liquid and swabs but I have never used them; the little >>> vacuum >>>>>> cleaner has until now been adequate on my M8 and before that on my >>> Canon >>>>>> cameras. Of course, with Olympus I did not need any sensor cleaning >>> thanks >>>>>> to the built-in dust removal system. I wish Leica had the same thing. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> Nathan >>>>>> >>>>>> Nathan Wajsman >>>>>> Alicante, Spain >>>>>> http://www.frozenlight.eu >>>>>> http://www.greatpix.eu >>>>>> http://www.nathanfoto.com >>>>>> >>>>>> Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 >>>>>> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws >>>>>> Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mar 3, 2010, at 3:07 AM, Geoff Hopkinson wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I had a recent exchnge on and off list regarding cleaning the M9 >>> sensor. >>>>>>> When I just cleaned mine ( which has not had heavy use), I was >>> dismayed >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> find that I had persistent streaks, some of which looked alarmingly >>> like >>>>>>> fine scratches. >>>>>>> I was confident that I had been careful. I used the Arctic butterfly >>>>>>> brush >>>>>>> first to remove any loose dust and then did a careful wet pass with >>>>>>> Visible >>>>>>> Dust Plus. I only had 1.3x size swabs. >>>>>>> The streaks remained after 3 separate cleaning cycles with new swabs >>> each >>>>>>> time. >>>>>>> I repeated this all with the Dust Aid kit which uses swabs that you >>> need >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> manually wind around the spatula and their fluid. Same result. My >>> Leica >>>>>>> dealer repeated this, same result. >>>>>>> We could not budge the easily visible streaks although they were >>>>>>> completely >>>>>>> undetectable on test images at high magnification on a monitor. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Today I repeated the dry clean folowed by a wet clean with the >>>>>>> Eclipse >>>>>>> type >>>>>>> 3 (size) swab and their fluid. They no longer consider the E2 fluid >>>>>>> necessary for tin oxide sensors and recommend their standard fluid >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> every >>>>>>> sensor. >>>>>>> A single pass in each direction completely removed every trace of the >>>>>>> streaks and I am a happy camper. I believe that the streaks I had >>>>>>> were >>>>>>> either traces of oil, possibly from the swab touching the surrounds >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> sensor (shutter lubricant??), drying marks from the fluids used >>>>>>> (qty?) >>> or >>>>>>> a >>>>>>> combination of both. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I note that the Eclipse fluid contains methanol. >>>>>>> Visible Dust fluid does not and they state that methanol can damage >>> the >>>>>>> seal >>>>>>> of the covering bonded to the sensor. >>>>>>> Leica recommends isopropyl alcohol. >>>>>>> In any event I wanted to report my experiences. I'm sure that others >>> will >>>>>>> have had different experiences and views. Incidentally the Eclipse >>> swabs >>>>>>> actually cost even more here than the Visible Dust products so that >>>>>>> should >>>>>>> please those who considered I was skimping by trying the Dust aid >>> swabs >>>>>>> when >>>>>>> my Visible Dust ones (M8 size) ran out! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers >>>>>>> Geoff >>>>>>> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >