Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2010/03/03
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Well I was being flippant, but does it not have IS also???????. You have a supersonic wave filter in front of the sensor assembly for repelling dust, yes. Most Olys have a Supersonic Wave Drive (it's a stepping motor system in the E620) which is used for the image stabilisation system. The whole sensor assembly is moved in at least two planes. That sensor ain't nailed down ;-). In any caser, fill your boots ;-) I was just commenting on my personal preference for the way Leica does it. Actually I would think that it would be technically difficult if not impossible to fit such systems into an M. The S2 does not have it either and of course there is rather more room in there. Who knows what future Leica camera may have in there. But it won't be an M any longer if it moves to LiveView and IS and EVFs and the rest of it. You are right that those things are virtually standard in the mainstream dSLRs. Cheers Geoff http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman M is for Messsucher On 3 March 2010 16:44, Nathan Wajsman <photo at frozenlight.eu> wrote: > Geoff, I am never held back from using my M8 either. I am careful about > where and how I change lenses here in dusty Spain, but otherwise no > problem. > > However, why do you call the Oly system "vibrating sensor"? It is an > ultrasound thingie, the sensor does not vibrate AFAIK. Like that other Oly > innovation, LiveView, I think it will become more or less standard on > interchangeable lens cameras. > > Cheers, > Nathan > > Nathan Wajsman > Alicante, Spain > http://www.frozenlight.eu > http://www.greatpix.eu > http://www.nathanfoto.com > > Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 > PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws > Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog > > > > > > > On Mar 3, 2010, at 7:16 AM, Geoff Hopkinson wrote: > > > I used my M8 for two years and about 9000 frames with no difficulties > with > > routine cleans. This is nothing more than a procedural hiccup. I've found > > one brand and method that's perfect for me. It doesn't do to stress over > > this stuff! > > I certainly wouldn't recommend that anyone not use their M or consider > that > > the need for sensor cleaning should deter anyone from using ANY digital > > camera with interchangeable lenses. > > My personal prefernce is for Leica's sensor and its very precise > calibration > > within the body rather than any vibrating system. Your cyclic rate may > > vary, people ;-) > > > > > > Cheers > > Geoff > > http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman > > > > > > On 3 March 2010 15:55, Jim Nichols <jhnichols at lighttube.net> wrote: > > > >> Much as I envy the M8/M9 users, these recent cleaning tales make me more > >> pleased every day that I am using a couple of Oly E-thingies. I am > happy to > >> keep things very simple. > >> > >> Jim Nichols > >> Tullahoma, TN USA > >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nathan Wajsman" < > photo at frozenlight.eu> > >> > >> > >> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org> > >> Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 11:46 PM > >> > >> Subject: Re: [Leica] Sensor cleaning revisited > >> > >> > >> Wow, this sounds scary Geoff. I bet several doses of "blood pressure > >>> medication" were needed during and after this process. > >>> > >>> Because of tales like this, I have a simple rule: never put any liquid > on > >>> the sensor, never touch it with anything wet. I use Sensor Scope. The > kit > >>> does contain liquid and swabs but I have never used them; the little > vacuum > >>> cleaner has until now been adequate on my M8 and before that on my > Canon > >>> cameras. Of course, with Olympus I did not need any sensor cleaning > thanks > >>> to the built-in dust removal system. I wish Leica had the same thing. > >>> > >>> Cheers, > >>> Nathan > >>> > >>> Nathan Wajsman > >>> Alicante, Spain > >>> http://www.frozenlight.eu > >>> http://www.greatpix.eu > >>> http://www.nathanfoto.com > >>> > >>> Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 > >>> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws > >>> Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On Mar 3, 2010, at 3:07 AM, Geoff Hopkinson wrote: > >>> > >>> I had a recent exchnge on and off list regarding cleaning the M9 > sensor. > >>>> When I just cleaned mine ( which has not had heavy use), I was > dismayed > >>>> to > >>>> find that I had persistent streaks, some of which looked alarmingly > like > >>>> fine scratches. > >>>> I was confident that I had been careful. I used the Arctic butterfly > >>>> brush > >>>> first to remove any loose dust and then did a careful wet pass with > >>>> Visible > >>>> Dust Plus. I only had 1.3x size swabs. > >>>> The streaks remained after 3 separate cleaning cycles with new swabs > each > >>>> time. > >>>> I repeated this all with the Dust Aid kit which uses swabs that you > need > >>>> to > >>>> manually wind around the spatula and their fluid. Same result. My > Leica > >>>> dealer repeated this, same result. > >>>> We could not budge the easily visible streaks although they were > >>>> completely > >>>> undetectable on test images at high magnification on a monitor. > >>>> > >>>> Today I repeated the dry clean folowed by a wet clean with the Eclipse > >>>> type > >>>> 3 (size) swab and their fluid. They no longer consider the E2 fluid > >>>> necessary for tin oxide sensors and recommend their standard fluid for > >>>> every > >>>> sensor. > >>>> A single pass in each direction completely removed every trace of the > >>>> streaks and I am a happy camper. I believe that the streaks I had were > >>>> either traces of oil, possibly from the swab touching the surrounds of > >>>> the > >>>> sensor (shutter lubricant??), drying marks from the fluids used (qty?) > or > >>>> a > >>>> combination of both. > >>>> > >>>> I note that the Eclipse fluid contains methanol. > >>>> Visible Dust fluid does not and they state that methanol can damage > the > >>>> seal > >>>> of the covering bonded to the sensor. > >>>> Leica recommends isopropyl alcohol. > >>>> In any event I wanted to report my experiences. I'm sure that others > will > >>>> have had different experiences and views. Incidentally the Eclipse > swabs > >>>> actually cost even more here than the Visible Dust products so that > >>>> should > >>>> please those who considered I was skimping by trying the Dust aid > swabs > >>>> when > >>>> my Visible Dust ones (M8 size) ran out! > >>>> > >>>> Cheers > >>>> Geoff > >>>> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Leica Users Group. > >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Leica Users Group. > >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Leica Users Group. > >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Leica Users Group. > > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >