[Leica] Belgian Ale test

[imagist3 at mac.com (George Lottermoser)]

I have no problem with individuals self medicating;
or even deciding to self destruct.

I do feel it becomes a problem
when imbibers decide to drive cars,
beat spouses and children,
and do other, worse, family and/or social harm.

Regards,
George Lottermoser
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On Feb 25, 2010, at 3:12 PM, Vince Passaro wrote:

> Mark,
>
> I would guess that number closer to 10,000. A myriad, in fact.  And  
> yours is
> a powerful argument. Nobody's allowed, really, to refute it, to  
> reject the
> morality of your view; and you could even strengthen it by mentioning
> alcohol's largest group of victims, the offspring. Yet one can't  
> help notice
> your position's Calvinistic failure to recognize the human dilemma.  
> You
> assume people don't want to die, or oughtn't want to, but nothing  
> in our
> experience suggests this is true for everyone. A good number of  
> people chase
> death their whole lives (see Gene Smith bio for one vivid example)  
> and it is
> testimony to God's grace or biology's rigors or the gift of  
> ambivalence -- *
> something* -- that so many manage not to die sooner than they  
> might. I lived
> in the same neighborhood in NYC for 35 years and there were  
> homeless addicts
> and alcoholics with HIV and hepatitis and TB and open sores who  
> still took
> ten years,  or more, to die.  It was a continuing miracle to see  
> them and
> talk to them on the street almost every day.
>
> When animals (vegetarian ones anyway) discover a plant that causes  
> them to
> become intoxicated in some way, it's said they go back to it  
> regularly. Even
> they, apparently, seek out some relief from the relentless g.d.  
> obligation
> of being themselves.
>
> Always interesting to me that Muslims oppose alcohol, while the  
> other desert
> religions do not: the Jews celebrate wine and on the Christian  
> side, the
> Evangelists all agree, Jesus' first miracle was making more wine  
> (at his
> mother's behest, no less) so people could *keep *drinking at a  
> friend's
> wedding.  I.e., the guests were already a day-and-a-half-drunk; the  
> crisis
> lay in the possibilty they wouldn't be able to drink even more.   
> So, as they
> like to say on TV in other time zones: Thank you Jesus.
>
> V
>
> PS You can have last word; I promise not to keep this going beyond  
> that....
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 2:54 PM, Mark Rabiner  
> <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote:
>
>>> < I was wrong. >
>>>
>>> A rare phrase round these parts.  I might reach the same  
>>> conclusion as
>> you
>>> did. Seems as likely as not.  On the "I think we should dry up"  
>>> front
>>> however I do not foresee agreeing with you. People who can  
>>> control it
>> should
>>> enjoy it, especially good beer and wine.
>>>
>>> < What was the chaser...? > Irish whiskey. Usually Jameson's  
>>> (that looks
>>> like J's to me, don't know why; it had a richer color but it's a b&w
>>> picture...) and in latter days frequently Bushmill's, which is more
>> complex
>>> and notably less sweet.  Technically though I think the beer is the
>> chaser,
>>> no? It's all chasing something I suppose.
>>>
>>> V
>>
>>
>> Yes alcohol is such a highly civilized sophisticated  effete  
>> gentlemanly
>> pursuit.
>> I'd never let a man marry my daughter who did not appreatate a  
>> good brandy
>> after dinner with a fine cigar.
>> Meanwhile for every person  having major problems with hard drugs  
>> there are
>> a thousand who are having their lives ruined by the drug:   CnH2n+1OH
>> which kills you  very slowly and with a high degree of humiliation.
>> All kinds of organs shut down. Never in the same order.
>>
>>
>>
>> [Rabs]
>> Mark William Rabiner
>>
>>
>>
>>
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