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Subject: [Leica] Flying With my 11x14
From: Jim at hemenway.com (Jim Hemenway)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 14:50:16 -0500
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I'm staying in Massachusetts... not going to fly anywhere!

After all, it only takes a few days to drive to the west coast.

Jim



Henning Wulff wrote:
> Seems a fair comment on the economic impact.
> 
> Personally, I'm not going to fly to or through the US anymore unless 
> unavoidable. If I do have to go anywhere in the US, I'll drive to 
> Seattle and fly from there, but generally for non-work related trips 
> I'll avoid the US.
> 
> There have been exceptions, of course, but overall the US 
> security/border service people have been the rudest, most inconsiderate 
> and generally unpleasant of any border services I've experienced in the 
> last 10 years. They certainly give an extremely unpleasant (and 
> fortunately incaccurate) first impression of the US.
> 
> The truly sad part of this is that the actual security achieved is 
> minimal, but the bad impression made on all travelers is immense.
> 
> 
> 
>> As coincidence would have it, this landed up in my mailbox today:
>>
>> http://www.economist.com/blogs/gulliver/2010/01/americas_snarling_doormen?Fsrc=glvrnwl
>>  
>>
>>
>> The full column:
>>
>> http://www.economist.com/world/unitedstates/displaystory.cfm?story_id=15270716
>>  
>>
>>
>> Cheers
>> Jayanand
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 2:36 PM, Frank Dernie
>> <Frank.Dernie at btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>  I have some very good friends, and two cousins in the US, I have 
>>> visited often and we are going to DC in April to celebrate my 60th 
>>> birthday by visiting friends and family. I hope everything will be 
>>> plain sailing. These security guys are doing a job not everybody 
>>> wants and they are probably neither well paid nor well educated. 
>>> There is a lot of ignorance. I must say, if I had not got the tickets 
>>> already I would reconsider the trip.
>>>  I would say that of all the countries I have visited the US 
>>> officials are the least knowledgeable and most insular. There is a 
>>> clear impression that they think you are being granted a great 
>>> privilege being allowed access to their country. Probably extreme 
>>> nationalism taught in school :-)
>>>  Frank
>>>
>>>  On 19 Jan, 2010, at 02:58, Jayanand Govindaraj wrote:
>>>
>>>>  I have stopped going to the USA - my last trip was in 2002, and
>>>>  barring emergencies, or traveling to Galapagos which I plan to do
>>>>  sometime, that will be my last. Could not stand the paranoid and
>>>>  intrusive visa and security authorities, and the shoddy and demeaning
>>>>  treatment meted out to my wife and myself. No reason we have to put up
>>>>  with that. You cannot change the system, you can only vote with your
>>>>  feet.
>>>>  Cheers
>>>>  Jayanand
>>>>
>>>>  On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 3:26 AM, Geoff Hopkinson 
>>>> <hopsternew at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>  Hmm, I think that all of our business and leisure travel dollars 
>>>>> will be
>>>>>  redirected to Europe and Asia over USA and Canada for the foreseeable
>>>>>  future. We see some of the restrictions implemented as security  
>>>>> to be
>>>>>  arbitrary, overly intrusive, unpleasant and unreasonable while not
>>>>>  necessarily being effective. When was the last time an Aussie carried
>>>>>  anything more dangerous than Vegemite into LAX?
>>>>>  Just my apply for permission in advance, three hours prior to 
>>>>> departure
>>>>>  queued, double security procedured, carry on xrayed and pulled apart,
>>>>>  suitcases unlocked to save the thieves some inconvenience, liquid
>>>>>  restricted, questioned, through clothing body scanned, metal 
>>>>> detected,
>>>>>  patted down, jet lagged two cents worth.
>>>>>
>>>>>  Geoff
>>>>>  http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  2010/1/19 philippe.amard <philippe.amard at sfr.fr>
>>>>>
>>>>>>  Superb photos (with the latest gear).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  And it is now settled, I'll be flying SNCF this year again.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Thanks for the link Steve
>>>>>>  Amiti?s
>>>>>>  Philippe
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Le 18 janv. 10 ? 21:19, Steve Barbour a ?crit :
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  http://luminous-landscape.com/essays/flying-jan-10.shtml
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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