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Subject: [Leica] A grab bag of comments- Guernica
From: lluisripollquerol at gmail.com (Lluis Ripoll Querol)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 23:57:57 +0100
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Hi Jayanand,

This is true, at least on the sense to respect the last volontee of  
the artist, on this case, Picasso.

Cheers
Lluis


El 04/01/2010, a las 3:59, Jayanand Govindaraj escribi?:

> You Spanish guys are lucky - after all, most museums of the West are
> full of stolen loot from the "lesser countries", either as spoils of
> war  (British Museum, Louvre, etc) or purchased on the black market a
> few decades ago (most US museums and major collectors) which they
> refuse to return...
> Cheers
> Jayanand
>
> On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 4:26 AM, Lluis Ripoll Querol
> <lluisripollquerol at gmail.com> wrote:
>> This is still more exact, thanks for the information. Yes, as far  
>> as I know
>> the MOMA was initially reluctant but after they have fully  
>> cooperated, I
>> think remember that the King of Spain has been too one of the  
>> decisive
>> persons on the negotiation.
>>
>> As Spanish and citizen of the world I modestly think that we can be  
>> very
>> proud of this fact.
>>
>> Saludos
>> Lluis
>>
>>
>> El 03/01/2010, a las 23:15, H. Ball Arche escribi?:
>>
>>> "Picasso's "Guernica" was on display at New York's Museum of  
>>> Modern Artfor
>>> a number of years. It occupied a solo room near the wall sized
>>> mural of Monet's "Water Lillies." You could go from wartime chaos to
>>> tranquility in a few steps. Picasso refused to have Guernica  hung  
>>> in
>>> Fascist Spain during WW2. I believe it was returned after his  
>>> death."
>>>
>>>
>>>> From Wiki:
>>>
>>> As early as 1968, Franco had expressed an interest in having  
>>> Guernica
>>> return to Spain.[1] However, Picasso refused to allow this until  
>>> the Spanish
>>> people again enjoyed a republic. He later added other conditions,  
>>> such as
>>> the restoration of "public liberties and democratic institutions".  
>>> Picasso
>>> died in 1973. Franco, ten years Picasso's junior, died two years  
>>> later, in
>>> 1975. After Franco's death, Spain was transformed into a democratic
>>> constitutional monarchy, ratified by a new constitution in 1978.  
>>> However,
>>> MOMA was reluctant to give up one of their greatest treasures and  
>>> argued
>>> that a constitutional monarchy did not represent the republic that  
>>> had been
>>> stipulated in Picasso's will as a condition for the painting's  
>>> return. Under
>>> great pressure from a number of observers, MOMA finally ceded the  
>>> painting
>>> to Spain in 1981. The Spanish historian Javier Tusell was one of the
>>> negotiators.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>> From: Lawrence Zeitlin <lrzeitlin at gmail.com>
>>> To: lug at leica-users.org
>>> Sent: Sun, January 3, 2010 3:11:50 PM
>>> Subject: [Leica] A grab bag of comments
>>>
>>> A grab bag of comments about recent LUG posts.
>>>
>>> Mark,
>>> It would be tough to use the Graflex for photographing carrier
>>> landings if it was anything like the one I used in the early '50s.
>>> Disregarding the fact that you had to reverse your concept of left  
>>> and
>>> right, it took about half a second for the mirror to flip up and the
>>> shutter to move across the film opening when taking a picture. And  
>>> if
>>> you didn't have a lens with an auto diaphragm, it took longer. In  
>>> that
>>> time the plane would have traveled almost 200 feet. The few sports
>>> photographers who used Graflex cameras to film baseball complained
>>> that they had to release the shutter before the pitcher threw the  
>>> ball
>>> to get a shot of the batter swinging (or not).
>>>
>>> Lluis,
>>> Picasso's "Guernica" was on display at New York's Museum of Modern  
>>> Art
>>> for a number of years. It occupied a solo room near the wall sized
>>> mural of Monet's "Water Lillies." You could go from wartime chaos to
>>> tranquility in a few steps. Picasso refused to have Guernica  hung  
>>> in
>>> Fascist Spain during WW2. I believe it was returned after his death.
>>>
>>> Tina,
>>> I think my blood would boil at 13,000 feet. About ten years ago my
>>> wife and I contemplated a hut to hut X-C ski trip on the 10th  
>>> Mountain
>>> Division trail in Colorado. Her brother was a member of that  
>>> division
>>> and she always considered herself a better skier. We chickened out
>>> when we discovered that all the huts were above 11,000 feet and you
>>> had to ski the trail carrying 50 pounds of supplies. Although we  
>>> might
>>> have tried if you were standing beside the trail handing out little
>>> bags of candies.
>>>
>>> A belated Happy New Year to everyone.
>>>
>>> Larry Z
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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