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Subject: [Leica] A grab bag of comments- Guernica
From: jayanand at gmail.com (Jayanand Govindaraj)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 08:29:41 +0530
References: <6a7544a61001031311x17eeabbq471fe72d83a1404c@mail.gmail.com> <909237.92098.qm@web55902.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <FAE4DEC7-B911-462C-B9A7-B8F1BDE76EC6@gmail.com>

You Spanish guys are lucky - after all, most museums of the West are
full of stolen loot from the "lesser countries", either as spoils of
war  (British Museum, Louvre, etc) or purchased on the black market a
few decades ago (most US museums and major collectors) which they
refuse to return...
Cheers
Jayanand

On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 4:26 AM, Lluis Ripoll Querol
<lluisripollquerol at gmail.com> wrote:
> This is still more exact, thanks for the information. Yes, as far as I know
> the MOMA was initially reluctant but after they have fully cooperated, I
> think remember that the King of Spain has been too one of the decisive
> persons on the negotiation.
>
> As Spanish and citizen of the world I modestly think that we can be very
> proud of this fact.
>
> Saludos
> Lluis
>
>
> El 03/01/2010, a las 23:15, H. Ball Arche escribi?:
>
>> "Picasso's "Guernica" was on display at New York's Museum of Modern Artfor
>> a number of years. It occupied a solo room near the wall sized
>> mural of Monet's "Water Lillies." You could go from wartime chaos to
>> tranquility in a few steps. Picasso refused to have Guernica ?hung in
>> Fascist Spain during WW2. I believe it was returned after his death."
>>
>>
>>> From Wiki:
>>
>> As early as 1968, Franco had expressed an interest in having Guernica
>> return to Spain.[1] However, Picasso refused to allow this until the 
>> Spanish
>> people again enjoyed a republic. He later added other conditions, such as
>> the restoration of "public liberties and democratic institutions". Picasso
>> died in 1973. Franco, ten years Picasso's junior, died two years later, in
>> 1975. After Franco's death, Spain was transformed into a democratic
>> constitutional monarchy, ratified by a new constitution in 1978. However,
>> MOMA was reluctant to give up one of their greatest treasures and argued
>> that a constitutional monarchy did not represent the republic that had 
>> been
>> stipulated in Picasso's will as a condition for the painting's return. 
>> Under
>> great pressure from a number of observers, MOMA finally ceded the painting
>> to Spain in 1981. The Spanish historian Javier Tusell was one of the
>> negotiators.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: Lawrence Zeitlin <lrzeitlin at gmail.com>
>> To: lug at leica-users.org
>> Sent: Sun, January 3, 2010 3:11:50 PM
>> Subject: [Leica] A grab bag of comments
>>
>> A grab bag of comments about recent LUG posts.
>>
>> Mark,
>> It would be tough to use the Graflex for photographing carrier
>> landings if it was anything like the one I used in the early '50s.
>> Disregarding the fact that you had to reverse your concept of left and
>> right, it took about half a second for the mirror to flip up and the
>> shutter to move across the film opening when taking a picture. And if
>> you didn't have a lens with an auto diaphragm, it took longer. In that
>> time the plane would have traveled almost 200 feet. The few sports
>> photographers who used Graflex cameras to film baseball complained
>> that they had to release the shutter before the pitcher threw the ball
>> to get a shot of the batter swinging (or not).
>>
>> Lluis,
>> Picasso's "Guernica" was on display at New York's Museum of Modern Art
>> for a number of years. It occupied a solo room near the wall sized
>> mural of Monet's "Water Lillies." You could go from wartime chaos to
>> tranquility in a few steps. Picasso refused to have Guernica ?hung in
>> Fascist Spain during WW2. I believe it was returned after his death.
>>
>> Tina,
>> I think my blood would boil at 13,000 feet. About ten years ago my
>> wife and I contemplated a hut to hut X-C ski trip on the 10th Mountain
>> Division trail in Colorado. Her brother was a member of that division
>> and she always considered herself a better skier. We chickened out
>> when we discovered that all the huts were above 11,000 feet and you
>> had to ski the trail carrying 50 pounds of supplies. Although we might
>> have tried if you were standing beside the trail handing out little
>> bags of candies.
>>
>> A belated Happy New Year to everyone.
>>
>> Larry Z
>>
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