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Subject: [Leica] M9 - not much more expensive than M8?
From: hopsternew at gmail.com (Geoff Hopkinson)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 08:46:35 +1000
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Richard, did you chip a tooth or dent the new car or something!! ;-) Sheesh!
Time for a nice relaxing cup ot tea ;-)
Strong low pass filter is an objective description of a design decision,
'stupid bollock for having to fit a UV filter" is not quite ;-)
In case you are interested I shall repost the comparisons from Raw
conversions with different profiles and my particular camera. The target is
the industry standard Colorchecker card that Adobe uses to produce the
profiles for each new camera in Raw. The colour temperature was measured to
be very close to 6500K too. Those are objective, measurable results. Its
still valid to 'prefer' one result over another. On resolution, go and put
your E3 on a tripod, use its native ISO, set your best zoom to give you the
same magnification, (about 33mm to match a 50 on your M8),  same
distance and use the same aperture (say f4 to allow for the zoom being
naturally slower). Pixel peep at 100%. Rinse and repeat with your M8.
On practical examples, I don't think I need to apologise. I posted 400+ in
July. You have prints from my camera in your home (or your cat's litter
tray??). What are you sending for the current print exchange cycle? Send me
a great example from your E3 too? It is a fine dSLR system. I admire
Olympus.
2009/8/14 Richard Man <richard.lists at gmail.com>

> Sure why not. Go look at the MTF yourself :-) Just remember to check
> out the Zeiss' MTF too.
>
> And your 2nd sentence is precisely what I am talking about. E-3 is a
> system, so is the Leica M8/9. Each system has its constraints and
> excellence. You say "strong low pass filter," I say stupid bullock
> having to fit an UV filter. Yea, I screw them on, and just plain
> forget about them, but don't go casting stones so fast :-) Lets not
> even talking about the vignetting correcting or the colorfix program.
>
> But it's OK, really it is. The Leica M is one of the best design
> cameras ever, and the M8 carries that tradition just fine.
>
> At the end of the day, which is an expression I hate, it's about how
> comfortable the photographer is with their tools, because, that's when
> the photographer will get the pictures :-O
>
> On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 2:25 PM, Geoff Hopkinson<hopsternew at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > I really wouldn't challenge Leica to an MTF contest though!
> > In firmware the E3 adds considerable sharpening even to your Raw files as
> it
> > needs to compensate for the softening from the strong low pass filter.
>
>
>
> --
>  // richard m: richard @imagecraft.com
> // w: http://www.imagecraft.com/pub/Portfolio09/ blog:
> http://rfman.wordpress.com
> // book: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/detail/745963
>
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Cheers
Geoff
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