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Subject: [Leica] speaking of cars violently OT
From: Frank.Dernie at btinternet.com (Frank Dernie)
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 05:33:28 +0100
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The Elan S4 was a favourite of mine. It had Stromberg carbs which gave  
more power and broader torque band than the more fashionable Webers,  
and better fuel consumption. It was surprisingly roomy for such a tiny  
light car.
Frank

On 11 Jul, 2009, at 00:42, Jerry Lehrer wrote:

> Dennis und Frank
>
> The original Europa mit Renault engine was a dog!   But the original  
> Elite, if it had modern brakes would really be
> a windy road car.  The Elan S2 when de-bugged is a superb handling  
> car.
>
> Yes, I've used them all
>
> Jerry Lehrer
>
>
> Dennis wrote:
>> Hi Frank,
>>
>> I wondered your thoughts on Lotus' road cars. I  had a Europa  
>> Special and it is a marvel. Very light, incredible suspension, and  
>> so responsive. I thought Colin Chapman brilliant and was stunned at  
>> his premature passing.
>>
>> I could never afford one of todays 'supercars' but if I could I  
>> would likely own a Lotus and use some of that "leftover" money for  
>> a worthy cause.
>>
>> I agree the Veyron is an ugly piece ;-)
>>
>> But, Lotus aside, what do  you make of the Ariel Atom?
>>
>> Dennis
>>
>>
>> Frank Dernie wrote:
>>> Pagani Zonda.
>>> For "frequent" use Ferrari 599.
>>> For daily use Porsche 911 turbo.
>>> For pure driving Lotus anything.
>>>
>>> There are lots of cars about which have fancy styling and are "2  
>>> seat limos" with loads of kit, weight and electronic driving aids  
>>> to make them easy to drive for less good drivers.
>>> These are great pose-mobiles and practical for a rich person of  
>>> limited talent to show-off in.
>>>
>>> I may have left some out, I am neither wealthy enough nor  
>>> interested enough to study in detail. Weight is the most important  
>>> chassis parameter for performance. Road cars are to a great extent  
>>> a fashion item and image statement. Published stuff tends to be  
>>> acceleration and top speed. It is possible to get impressive  
>>> figures for these without much chassis sophistication at all.  
>>> Since weight is currently not something fashionable to minimise  
>>> "supercars" are now as heavy as trucks, hence no longer supercars  
>>> IMO. This Bugatti thing weighs the same as 2 Ford GT40s!
>>>
>>> To put perspective on this, +10kg on a F1 car loses over 0.3 secs  
>>> per lap.
>>>
>>> Frank
>>
>
>
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