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Subject: [Leica] speaking of cars violently OT
From: Frank.Dernie at btinternet.com (Frank Dernie)
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 06:38:10 +0100
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Try an Elise.
Frank

On 11 Jul, 2009, at 06:06, Adam Bridge wrote:

> I had a Lotus S2 - two 2-barrel Webers. It was a RIP to drive but  
> needed
> lots of TLC as cars of that era did.
> I loved the close-ratio gearbox and how it would leap ahead with the
> slightest urging. Stopped darn well too!
>
> Of course it would never pass today's crash tests but I'd love a  
> modern
> Lotus roadster to be a retake on the Elan. The top can leak, that's  
> okay!
>
> Adam
>
> On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 9:33 PM, Frank Dernie
> <Frank.Dernie at btinternet.com>wrote:
>
>> The Elan S4 was a favourite of mine. It had Stromberg carbs which  
>> gave more
>> power and broader torque band than the more fashionable Webers, and  
>> better
>> fuel consumption. It was surprisingly roomy for such a tiny light  
>> car.
>> Frank
>>
>>
>> On 11 Jul, 2009, at 00:42, Jerry Lehrer wrote:
>>
>> Dennis und Frank
>>>
>>> The original Europa mit Renault engine was a dog!   But the original
>>> Elite, if it had modern brakes would really be
>>> a windy road car.  The Elan S2 when de-bugged is a superb handling  
>>> car.
>>>
>>> Yes, I've used them all
>>>
>>> Jerry Lehrer
>>>
>>>
>>> Dennis wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Frank,
>>>>
>>>> I wondered your thoughts on Lotus' road cars. I  had a Europa  
>>>> Special and
>>>> it is a marvel. Very light, incredible suspension, and so  
>>>> responsive. I
>>>> thought Colin Chapman brilliant and was stunned at his premature  
>>>> passing.
>>>>
>>>> I could never afford one of todays 'supercars' but if I could I  
>>>> would
>>>> likely own a Lotus and use some of that "leftover" money for a  
>>>> worthy cause.
>>>>
>>>> I agree the Veyron is an ugly piece ;-)
>>>>
>>>> But, Lotus aside, what do  you make of the Ariel Atom?
>>>>
>>>> Dennis
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Frank Dernie wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Pagani Zonda.
>>>>> For "frequent" use Ferrari 599.
>>>>> For daily use Porsche 911 turbo.
>>>>> For pure driving Lotus anything.
>>>>>
>>>>> There are lots of cars about which have fancy styling and are "2  
>>>>> seat
>>>>> limos" with loads of kit, weight and electronic driving aids to  
>>>>> make them
>>>>> easy to drive for less good drivers.
>>>>> These are great pose-mobiles and practical for a rich person of  
>>>>> limited
>>>>> talent to show-off in.
>>>>>
>>>>> I may have left some out, I am neither wealthy enough nor  
>>>>> interested
>>>>> enough to study in detail. Weight is the most important chassis  
>>>>> parameter
>>>>> for performance. Road cars are to a great extent a fashion item  
>>>>> and image
>>>>> statement. Published stuff tends to be acceleration and top  
>>>>> speed. It is
>>>>> possible to get impressive figures for these without much chassis
>>>>> sophistication at all. Since weight is currently not something  
>>>>> fashionable
>>>>> to minimise "supercars" are now as heavy as trucks, hence no  
>>>>> longer
>>>>> supercars IMO. This Bugatti thing weighs the same as 2 Ford GT40s!
>>>>>
>>>>> To put perspective on this, +10kg on a F1 car loses over 0.3  
>>>>> secs per
>>>>> lap.
>>>>>
>>>>> Frank
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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