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Subject: [Leica] speaking of cars violently OT
From: Frank.Dernie at btinternet.com (Frank Dernie)
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 05:30:18 +0100
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Ariel Atom is a rocket, but you need to use a helmet really since  
there is no screen.
Any of the Lotus cars are good to drive.
cheers,
Frank

On 10 Jul, 2009, at 21:54, Dennis wrote:

> Hi Frank,
>
> I wondered your thoughts on Lotus' road cars. I  had a Europa  
> Special and it is a marvel. Very light, incredible suspension, and  
> so responsive. I thought Colin Chapman brilliant and was stunned at  
> his premature passing.
>
> I could never afford one of todays 'supercars' but if I could I  
> would likely own a Lotus and use some of that "leftover" money for a  
> worthy cause.
>
> I agree the Veyron is an ugly piece ;-)
>
> But, Lotus aside, what do  you make of the Ariel Atom?
>
> Dennis
>
>
> Frank Dernie wrote:
>> Pagani Zonda.
>> For "frequent" use Ferrari 599.
>> For daily use Porsche 911 turbo.
>> For pure driving Lotus anything.
>>
>> There are lots of cars about which have fancy styling and are "2  
>> seat limos" with loads of kit, weight and electronic driving aids  
>> to make them easy to drive for less good drivers.
>> These are great pose-mobiles and practical for a rich person of  
>> limited talent to show-off in.
>>
>> I may have left some out, I am neither wealthy enough nor  
>> interested enough to study in detail. Weight is the most important  
>> chassis parameter for performance. Road cars are to a great extent  
>> a fashion item and image statement. Published stuff tends to be  
>> acceleration and top speed. It is possible to get impressive  
>> figures for these without much chassis sophistication at all. Since  
>> weight is currently not something fashionable to minimise  
>> "supercars" are now as heavy as trucks, hence no longer supercars  
>> IMO. This Bugatti thing weighs the same as 2 Ford GT40s!
>>
>> To put perspective on this, +10kg on a F1 car loses over 0.3 secs  
>> per lap.
>>
>> Frank
>
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