Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2009/01/18
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]That alone is worth the price of admission. The first hand typed issues are such a great historical curio. The going over the latter issues, with it digital material, It's like seeing one's grandparents going from the horse-cart to the satellite, and walk-on-the-moon age. sd On Jan 18, 2009, at 7:58 AM, Seth Rosner wrote: > Thanks for mentioning that Slobodan. One of the LHSA > accomplishments with which I'm happiest is the creation of the > Viewfinder disc; it was my first recommendation to the Board after > becoming president. Another LHSA member benefit: in addition to the > disc, all Viewfinder issues published since the creation of the > disc can be accessed electronically by LHSA members on the LHSA > website. It really is a quite fantastic resource of Leitz/Leica > history, product information, images by members and others, going > back 40 + years. > > Seth > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Slobodan Dimitrov" > <s.dimitrov@charter.net> > To: "Leica Users Group" <lug@leica-users.org> > Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 10:28 AM > Subject: Re: [Leica] FS 35mm Summicron > > >> And joining the LHSA will get you a CD of all the past issues, minus >> the very last ones. But I'm sure an appendix will be on its way >> eventually. >> sd >> >> >> On Jan 18, 2009, at 6:56 AM, Seth Rosner wrote: >> >>> Actually Steve, I've never used the pre-ASPH Summicron but have >>> heard the same things you have. The 35mm that I use is the 35/2,8 >>> Summaron that we tested vs. the pre-ASPH and the 8-element >>> Summicrons on the Optikos Corporation MTF optical test bench; see >>> the article in LHSA Viewfinder magazine, Vol 37 No 4 (4th qtr 04). >>> Showed pretty clearly that if you don't need the added stop of >>> speed, the Summaron was the choice. >>> >>> I'd attach a copy of the manuscript but I think Brian's software >>> strips away attachments >>> >>> Seth >>> >>> Seth >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Barbour" >>> <kididdoc@cox.net> >>> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug@leica-users.org> >>> Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 8:57 AM >>> Subject: Re: [Leica] FS 35mm Summicron >>> >>> >>>> >>>> On Jan 18, 2009, at 6:36 AM, Seth Rosner wrote: >>>> >>>>> All different optical designs. All are Gauss derivatives. #1 is >>>>> an 8- >>>>> element, #2 and 3 are 6-element with slight differences (in #2 the >>>>> second and third elements are cemented together whereas in #3 they >>>>> are separated by air, sometimes called an "air lens" for the >>>>> different refracting effect of air vis-a-vis glass, and #4, >>>>> frequently referred to as the "pre-aspheric", is 7-element with >>>>> elements 2 & 3 and elements 6 & 7 cemented together. >>>> >>>> some love especially #4, calling it the bokeh king. >>>> >>>> I love that lens... what are your thoughts Seth? >>>> >>>> Steve >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> If you're really interested in this stuff, Erwin Puts' book, >>>>> "Leica >>>>> Lens Compendium" is an excellent resource, though in it Erwin >>>>> occasionally expresses opinions with which I have disagreed >>>>> publicly. Seth >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Meier" >>>>> <robertmeier@usjet.net >>>>> > >>>>> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug@leica-users.org> >>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 7:37 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] FS 35mm Summicron >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> They both have the full ring, serrated over about 270 degrees of >>>>>> it, >>>>>> the aperture numbers the rest of the way. So, they are BOTH >>>>>> version >>>>>> 3 -- that is surprising, good news. But all four versions >>>>>> are the >>>>>> same optically, aren't they? Bob >>>>>> >>>>>> On Jan 17, 2009, at 6:30 PM, Seth Rosner wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Bob, I've just taken a look at Erwin Puts' book and see that he >>>>>>> puts the intro of version 3 in 1971 that would make both of your >>>>>>> lenses version 3's. One other way to determine to which group >>>>>>> your >>>>>>> earlier lens belongs is ask if the diaphragm is controlled by a >>>>>>> small tab that protrudes from the lens mount or by a more >>>>>>> typical >>>>>>> ring. If the former, it is version 2, if the latter, they're >>>>>>> both >>>>>>> version 3. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Meier" >>>>>>> <robertmeier@usjet.net> >>>>>>> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug@leica-users.org> >>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 6:12 PM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] FS 35mm Summicron >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> My other Summicron 35 is 2619853, which the list puts as only a >>>>>>>> year >>>>>>>> newer (thanks Arche), but this one is mint. I thought the >>>>>>>> newer >>>>>>>> one >>>>>>>> is version 3, but now I'm not sure. >>>>>>>> Bob >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Jan 17, 2009, at 3:24 PM, Seth Rosner wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Same series (version), Bob? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Meier" >>>>>>>>> <robertmeier@usjet.net> >>>>>>>>> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug@leica-users.org> >>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 4:10 PM >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] FS 35mm Summicron >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Seth, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> That's a very impressive story, both about how well built a >>>>>>>>>> Leica >>>>>>>>>> lens is, and how good the Leica New Jersey service is/ >>>>>>>>>> was. I >>>>>>>>>> should >>>>>>>>>> reconsider selling this lens, except I have another one >>>>>>>>>> that is >>>>>>>>>> newer >>>>>>>>>> and is even nicer! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Bob >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Jan 17, 2009, at 12:37 PM, Seth Rosner wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi Bob, the lists I have show that your 35/2 Summicron is >>>>>>>>>>> from >>>>>>>>>>> 1972 >>>>>>>>>>> production that commenced at #2503101 through 2556500. I >>>>>>>>>>> believe >>>>>>>>>>> that Steve's serial numbers refer only to cameras. I bought >>>>>>>>>>> one of >>>>>>>>>>> these lenses shortly after their introduction in 1969 or 70. >>>>>>>>>>> Was in >>>>>>>>>>> my kit for a four-week visit to South and East Africa = 700+ >>>>>>>>>>> Kodachromes. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> One afternoon in our hotel room in Nairobi after returning >>>>>>>>>>> from an >>>>>>>>>>> 8-day tour of the Serengeti, I put down my M4 w/ 35/2 >>>>>>>>>>> Summicron >>>>>>>>>>> attached to answer the phone. I had forgotten to twist the >>>>>>>>>>> lens to >>>>>>>>>>> full lock. When I picked it up, the lens plunged onto a tile >>>>>>>>>>> floor, >>>>>>>>>>> bending the rear flange. I literally burst into sweat, >>>>>>>>>>> told my >>>>>>>>>>> wife >>>>>>>>>>> that I had to go for a short walk to calm down. Returned to >>>>>>>>>>> hotel >>>>>>>>>>> room, looked once again at bent flange, shook lens >>>>>>>>>>> vigorously to >>>>>>>>>>> ascertain if there were loose glass elements, diaphragm >>>>>>>>>>> blades >>>>>>>>>>> or >>>>>>>>>>> other un-Leica-like anomalies, etc, tried it on the M4 to >>>>>>>>>>> which it >>>>>>>>>>> seemd to mate as usual. Had no back-up 35mm so used it >>>>>>>>>>> balance >>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>> the trip. On return to NYC, I called Vince Fochtman, the >>>>>>>>>>> lens >>>>>>>>>>> guy >>>>>>>>>>> at Leitz/Rockleigh whom I knew pretty well, told him the >>>>>>>>>>> story >>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>> said I was sending him the lens; if there was damage to the >>>>>>>>>>> glass >>>>>>>>>>> or mechanicals that could not be made perfect, please just >>>>>>>>>>> return >>>>>>>>>>> the lens with a bill and I would sell it and find another; >>>>>>>>>>> if it >>>>>>>>>>> could be made optically and mechanically flawless despite >>>>>>>>>>> cosmetic >>>>>>>>>>> flaws, please repair the lens. A week passed, my lens >>>>>>>>>>> returned >>>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>> a Leitz invoice that had no charge. I called Vince and >>>>>>>>>>> inquired. He >>>>>>>>>>> said the lens was fine, glass clean, clear, not decentered a >>>>>>>>>>> micron, just as good as it had come from Wetzlar; he had >>>>>>>>>>> been >>>>>>>>>>> able >>>>>>>>>>> very gently and little by little to bend the bent- out-of- >>>>>>>>>>> shape >>>>>>>>>>> flange into perfect alignment, didn't need any parts, so no >>>>>>>>>>> charge! >>>>>>>>>>> Talk about robust fortress-like construction! I would >>>>>>>>>>> like to >>>>>>>>>>> think >>>>>>>>>>> that current production is just as strong. Who knows? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Enjoy your Summicron! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Seth >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Seth >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Meier" >>>>>>>>>>> <robertmeier@usjet.net> >>>>>>>>>>> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug@leica-users.org> >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 11:19 AM >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] FS 35mm Summicron >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Seth, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for that confirmation. Where can I go to check the >>>>>>>>>>>> serial >>>>>>>>>>>> numbers of lenses? All I know about is Stephen Gandy's >>>>>>>>>>>> lists of >>>>>>>>>>>> body serial numbers. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>>>>> Bob >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 17, 2009, at 7:06 AM, Seth Rosner wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> it is indeed the second version >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Meier" >>>>>>>>>>>>> <robertmeier@usjet.net> >>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug@leica-users.org> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 8:02 PM >>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] FS 35mm Summicron >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have a 35mm Summicron, pre-aspheric, that shows wear >>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> barrel >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (no dents or dings) and has mint glass. With both >>>>>>>>>>>>>> caps. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> think it >>>>>>>>>>>>>> is 2nd version, but I'm not sure. 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