Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2008/12/07

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Subject: [Leica] Bad news at Leica
From: leicar at (Aram Langhans)
Date: Sun Dec 7 09:05:28 2008
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Hey Mark.  Isn't that a bit selfish?  Leica has not made any R advances on
the digital front since 2005, so let's give us R folks a turn at bat.  Just
because you want a new M does not mean us R people should wait any longer.
The DMR had a very limited production run and if one wanted to use the R
lenses on a genuine Leica, it would be very hard to find a DMR.  At least
the M people have an actual production camera at their call.  I suggest that
the DMR is in many ways like the M8 is to you.  It took some compromises
that many did not like, such as the physical size and the same 1.33 crop
factor that you complain about.  So, I think it is the  R user's turn in
line to see what the next generation brings.  In a small company like Leica,
they undoubtedly need to rotate through their products when they upgrade. 


> From: Mark Rabiner <>
> Subject: Re: [Leica] Bad news at Leica
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> My gut guess is that its really not a sensor issue that's just me and I
> know
> it sounds funny.
> I'm sensing a feeling at the new Leica that manual focus can't compete.
> And that's why the M got put on the back burner.
> I think that's the issue.
> They just can't have a manual focus camera be a top priority.
> A problem being when they do finally get around to it, it being coming
> out
> with a 24x36 sensor M8 camera, how mach of a client base will be left?
> I'm on the verge of having to sell my M system to finance full frame
> digital
> shooting. That could take me off this email list although I'd continue
> my
> screw mount system.
> All said we have a company putting a tremendous amount of capital into
> R&D
> and I don't think of it as bad news - in this juncture it overwhelms
> the
> capital coming in.
> With an S, R and then finally M system DIGITAL Leica will be very much
> in
> the ballgame and very much more so than they were in the 90's with
> film.
> How can we convince them that the M system is ok without AF?
> What the M system needs is FF not AF.
> Give me FF or give me Death!
> Mark William Rabiner

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