Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2008/12/07

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Subject: [Leica] Bad news at Leica - worse than that
From: philippe.amard at (Philippe AMARD)
Date: Sun Dec 7 13:17:32 2008
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Aram Langhans wrote:

>Hey Mark.  Isn't that a bit selfish?  Leica has not made any R advances on
>the digital front since 2005, so let's give us R folks a turn at bat.  

Aram, you've never been so right !
How many DMRs were produced ?
How many M8s?
R owners have been betrayed.
Bring in the R9.2 Diesel  
I 'm sure M8 owners won't resent that. Unlike with Rs's, there's so much 
they can still squeeze out of just the present offer.

>because you want a new M does not mean us R people should wait any longer.
>The DMR had a very limited production run and if one wanted to use the R
>lenses on a genuine Leica, it would be very hard to find a DMR.  At least
>the M people have an actual production camera at their call.  I suggest that
>the DMR is in many ways like the M8 is to you.  It took some compromises
>that many did not like, such as the physical size and the same 1.33 crop
>factor that you complain about.  So, I think it is the  R user's turn in
>line to see what the next generation brings.  In a small company like Leica,
>they undoubtedly need to rotate through their products when they upgrade. 
>>From: Mark Rabiner <>
>>Subject: Re: [Leica] Bad news at Leica
>>To: Leica Users Group <>
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>>My gut guess is that its really not a sensor issue that's just me and I
>>it sounds funny.
>>I'm sensing a feeling at the new Leica that manual focus can't compete.
>>And that's why the M got put on the back burner.
>>I think that's the issue.
>>They just can't have a manual focus camera be a top priority.
>>A problem being when they do finally get around to it, it being coming
>>with a 24x36 sensor M8 camera, how mach of a client base will be left?
>>I'm on the verge of having to sell my M system to finance full frame
>>shooting. That could take me off this email list although I'd continue
>>screw mount system.
>>All said we have a company putting a tremendous amount of capital into
>>and I don't think of it as bad news - in this juncture it overwhelms
>>capital coming in.
>>With an S, R and then finally M system DIGITAL Leica will be very much
>>the ballgame and very much more so than they were in the 90's with
>>How can we convince them that the M system is ok without AF?
>>What the M system needs is FF not AF.
>>Give me FF or give me Death!
>>Mark William Rabiner
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